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PostSubject: iPhone user? Time to rethink that   Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:41 pm


I first saw what was coming in the societal sense back in the early 80's, when I taught computing (IBM Assembler & related) and realized that Moore's Law wouldn't stop with mainframes. People either laughed or thought I was delusional/insane/paranoid (choose one).

It's here, guys. 24/7 connectivity is now a requirement to live and work in the modern world, and nothing will stop those who want the power of knowing about you from finding a way to get it. The technological threshold of practicality has been crossed and there's no going back.

The best you can do is to be aware of the situation and act accordingly.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/apr/20/iphone-tracking-prompts-privacy-fears
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PostSubject: Re: iPhone user? Time to rethink that   Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:40 pm

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People either laughed or thought I was delusional/insane/paranoid (choose one)

I don''t know whether to say "Welcome to the club" or, "Funny you should mention . . ." (choose one). bom

Seems to be the common fate of people able to see past the ends of their noses.

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PostSubject: Re: iPhone user? Time to rethink that   Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:03 pm

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Woofmeister wrote:
People either laughed or thought I was delusional/insane/paranoid (choose one)

I don''t know whether to say "Welcome to the club" or, "Funny you should mention . . ." (choose one). bom

Seems to be the common fate of people able to see past the ends of their noses.

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Only in form, not in substance. The third-hand claims of people who stir political pots for profit aren't in any way comparable to technological facts that can be checked by anybody.
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PostSubject: Re: iPhone user? Time to rethink that   Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:31 pm

http://www.brothersofbriar.com/t12494-autism

http://www.brothersofbriar.com/t12482-who-what-when-where-why-how

http://www.brothersofbriar.com/t12495-lest-we-forget

How many more do you want ?



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PostSubject: Re: iPhone user? Time to rethink that   Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:37 am

Did you read about Michigan police and their Cellebrite extraction devices? Their devices can extract all logical and physical data (including deleted content) from a cell phone in under 2 minutes. Link- Police Search Cell Phones During Traffic Stops

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PostSubject: Re: iPhone user? Time to rethink that   Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:32 am

And another...

How long before this sort of thing is mandatory, do you think?

You can bet your ass it will be all too soon, the data collected will be ever more comprehensive with every model, and laws will be passed giving police the right to download the info at any time.

http://www.slashgear.com/progressive-snapshot-hardware-details-revealed-15140002/

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PostSubject: Re: iPhone user? Time to rethink that   Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:46 pm

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PostSubject: Re: iPhone user? Time to rethink that   Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:57 pm

And to gently steer this back onto topic:

When my father was working on the software side of the Joint STARS project, more than a decade ago, they sent up a test flight over Florida to test the recon capabilities. "We can track every car in the state simultaneously," said the project chief, which may have been a bit of an exaggeration, but probably accurately meant "We can track every car in the state we'd want to, simultaneously."

That technology plus twelve years or so in the present day is pretty astonishing/frightening.

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PostSubject: Re: iPhone user? Time to rethink that   Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:32 pm

Doc Manhattan wrote:
...Everyone here wants the board to work.

Well, everyone except PB, of course. He likes the Jerry Springer moments. I heard he set up the entire board himself and that you, J the Huggett, and the rest of the "admin" staff are just board names, not even real people, and he did it so he can have a big electronic ant farm, sorta, to stir up when he's bored on the road.

Nice try, P-- I mean, Doc.

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PostSubject: Re: iPhone user? Time to rethink that   Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:36 pm

Doc was on it as usual. I really have been negligent in my duties lately. I'll try to do better.

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PostSubject: Re: iPhone user? Time to rethink that   Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:58 am

In a related matter,

Quote :
The tens of thousands of cops, firefighters, construction workers and others who survived the worst terrorist assault in U.S. history and risked their lives in its wake will soon be informed that their names must be run through the FBI’s terrorism watch list, according to a letter obtained by HuffPost.

Any of the responders who are not compared to the database of suspected terrorists would be barred from getting treatment for the numerous, worsening ailments that the James Zadroga 9/11 Health And Compensation Law was passed to address.

It’s a requirement that was tacked onto the law during the bitter debates over it last year.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/21/911-responders-screened-for-terror-ties_n_852198.html

Relevant Quotation :

(5) DISQUALIFICATION OF INDIVIDUALS ON TERRORIST WATCH LIST

No individual who is on the terrorist watch list maintained by the Department of homeland Security shall qualify as an eligible WTC responder.

Before enrolling any individual as a WTC responder in the WTC program under paragraph (3), the Administrator, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, shall determine whether the individual is on such list.


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PostSubject: Re: iPhone user? Time to rethink that   Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:06 am

Some day soon, we won't need traffic enforcement anymore.
They'll track our every move and email us our speeding tickets. Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: iPhone user? Time to rethink that   Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:24 am

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Some day soon, we won't need traffic enforcement anymore.
They'll track our every move and email us our speeding tickets. Twisted Evil

Something close to that is already the case with commercial vehicles. The vast majority of heavy trucks now have tracking/logging computers on board that record virtually everything that can be quantified. From routes taken, to elapsed time between geographic points, to braking G-forces, to the engine rpm revved between individual gears. The legal beagles are fighting daily for greater and greater access to the information, and in some cases they are getting it to use in prosecutions.

The technology exists and the legal precedent is being built as we speak... the rest is inevitable.
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PostSubject: Re: iPhone user? Time to rethink that   Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:07 am

LL wrote:


The technology exists and the legal precedent is being built as we speak... the rest is inevitable.

Well, that's why I used a Twisted Evil and not a lol!.
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PostSubject: Re: iPhone user? Time to rethink that   Sat Apr 23, 2011 12:21 pm

Hermit wrote:
Some day soon, we won't need traffic enforcement anymore.
They'll track our every move and email us our speeding tickets. Twisted Evil

Automatic photo cams for traffic enforcement have been in existence in the first world for a long time. I discovered they´d found their way down here recently when no less than 21 (count 'em) TWENTY ONE speeding violations showed up in my mailbox!! No cops, just cams and computers.

Jeez, takes the fun out out of driving here for sure. Evil or Very Mad
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PostSubject: Re: iPhone user? Time to rethink that   Sat Apr 23, 2011 8:02 pm

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...when no less than 21 (count 'em) TWENTY ONE speeding violations showed up in my mailbox!!

Um, what do you drive, exactly? An Ariel Atom? A Cadillac CTS-V? Laughing

Or are/were you a professional rally driver who just can't resist mashing it wherever you go in whatever you drive?

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PostSubject: Re: iPhone user? Time to rethink that   Sat Apr 23, 2011 8:19 pm

LL wrote:
MisterE wrote:
...when no less than 21 (count 'em) TWENTY ONE speeding violations showed up in my mailbox!!

Um, what do you drive, exactly? An Ariel Atom? A Cadillac CTS-V? Laughing

Or are/were you a professional rally driver who just can't resist mashing it wherever you go in whatever you drive?


Yeah, I had heard that it's pretty much "anything goes" on the streets of Mexico City...not so?
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PostSubject: Re: iPhone user? Time to rethink that   Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:19 pm

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Or are/were you a professional rally driver who just can't resist mashing it wherever you go in whatever you drive?

Actually almost all of them were clocked at just over 100 kmh (about 65mph). The thing is that for years there was no speed enforcement whatsoever, so you could speed right by patrols and they wouldn´t bother to stop you. Just too much work for them. After they "sneaked" those machines in there, tons of people fell into the same "trap". Insta-revenue, and the "corrupt middleman" (traffic cop) is eliminated.

I have since mended my ways. Embarassed

On a side note, getting used to driving here takes a while because it is a free-for-all by US standards. Now, after almost 15 years here, I find in more frustrating driving in the US! To keep it in perspective though, driving in Rome makes Mexico look like Ft. Lauderdale by comparison.
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PostSubject: Re: iPhone user? Time to rethink that   Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:58 pm

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To keep it in perspective though, driving in Rome makes Mexico look like Ft. Lauderdale by comparison.

Oh I know! Crossing the street in Rome is like a death sport.
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PostSubject: Re: iPhone user? Time to rethink that   Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:31 pm

A few hundred details

http://www.blacklistednews.com/The_Orwellian_Internet_Surveillance_Noose%3A_No_Privacy%2C_No_Place_to_Hide..._/13647/0/0/0/Y/M.html

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PostSubject: Re: iPhone user? Time to rethink that   Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:32 am

Do you suppose Blackberries are equipped with that software as well? Just asking becaust that´s what we use.
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