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puros_bran
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PostSubject: Re: An explanation. Of sorts...   Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:13 pm

I've researched it a little.
Apparently Nicotine and other natural trace chemicals act as a MAOI in the human brain. I replaced the nicotine with a personal vaporizer, more commonly known as an e cigarette, I recently have tried replacing the other chemicals by eating veggies that contain similar doses., peppers, tomatoes and the like. I'm 'almost' back to normal, if there is such a thing.

Question: when you quit did you notice any of these?

Constipation, an outbreak of zits, muscle spasms,memory loss, extremely vivid dreams? anything else?

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PostSubject: Re: An explanation. Of sorts...   Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:23 pm

puros_bran wrote:
I've researched it a little.
Apparently Nicotine and other natural trace chemicals act as a MAOI in the human brain. I replaced the nicotine with a personal vaporizer, more commonly known as an e cigarette, I recently have tried replacing the other chemicals by eating veggies that contain similar doses., peppers, tomatoes and the like. I'm 'almost' back to normal, if there is such a thing.

Question: when you quit did you notice any of these?

Constipation, an outbreak of zits, muscle spasms,memory loss, extremely vivid dreams? anything else?


Memory loss and crazy vivid dreams... I also noticed that I had more ocd type problems, (locking the door then checking it 3 or 4 times, not being able to write or concentrate until I figure out what in the room is out of place and then fixing it). Other than that, I had some crazy mood swings. I would be just fine one minute and ten minutes later I'd be totally depressed and feeling like there was nothing worthwhile in life.

Nuts! I hope that stuff is behind me.
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PostSubject: Re: An explanation. Of sorts...   Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:24 pm

Puros has a point. I've talked with multiple people and doctors that Tourette's, bipolar, anxiety, ASD, and even schizo-affected disorders are mellowed out with nicotine. The pipe has been a godsend to me, gives me time to realign the ship's sensor arrays, get away from the irritating and painful noises, communicate with people in a thoughtful and decent manner, concentrate, and even something to fixate upon, in this case (mine) the briar grain itself... I have caught myself staring for almost half an hour inspecting each little grain with my nearsightedness. It's like a little world in there.

There's always too much of a good thing, but I think a few pipes a week is a very reasonable thing to add to one's regimen if they suspect some monkey wrenches in the head-machine. Provided it isn't aggravating other health aspects.

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PostSubject: Re: An explanation. Of sorts...   Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:25 pm

What you describe is actually common among people who quit, just no one discusses it.
I wouldn't have a clue myself but I hang out of forums with other quitters and see the commonality of symptoms people discuss.
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PostSubject: Re: An explanation. Of sorts...   Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:37 pm

Very happy to have you back my friend.
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PostSubject: Re: An explanation. Of sorts...   Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:45 pm

puros_bran wrote:
What you describe is actually common among people who quit, just no one discusses it.
I wouldn't have a clue myself but I hang out of forums with other quitters and see the commonality of symptoms people discuss.

Ok, so it is a scientifically proven fact, quitting is bad for your health.
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PostSubject: Re: An explanation. Of sorts...   Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:54 pm

Welcome back Simple Man, I didn't have the pleasure of knowing you before, but I have experience of depression and I know how hard it can be to live with. I applaud your courage and determination to beat it back. Best wishes to you from the UK.
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PostSubject: Re: An explanation. Of sorts...   Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:04 pm

christeaux wrote:
puros_bran wrote:
What you describe is actually common among people who quit, just no one discusses it.
I wouldn't have a clue myself but I hang out of forums with other quitters and see the commonality of symptoms people discuss.

Ok, so it is a scientifically proven fact, quitting is bad for your health.


No, not really... Burning tobacco releases certain chemicals that 'treat' a plethora of 'disorders' in the adult human brain. There are numerous other ways to 'treat' these disorders.

I will say this though, IF the numerous added chemicals were removed from tobacco products I do not believe them to be as harmful as opinion holds. Tobacco in and of itself is not the problem.
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PostSubject: Re: An explanation. Of sorts...   Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:59 pm

Well, at least remove the synthesized/unnecessary chemicals from tobacco, mainly cigarettes, is what I think you're drivin' at, PeeB, right? I seem to remember a list Mark put up recently with some horrifically unpronounceable words that ended up being mostly (harmless?) natural flavor extracts for pipe tobacco. Something tells me papaya isn't going to make me explode in tumors randomly. I could be wrong, though.

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PostSubject: Re: An explanation. Of sorts...   Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:15 pm

Glad to see you back. I'm not bi-polar, but I'v dealt with depression most of my adult life. Come back, enjoy. Later.
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PostSubject: Re: An explanation. Of sorts...   Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:23 pm

Partly right partly wrong.

Let's not kid ourselves, inhaling smoke (and you do whether you 'inhale' or not) is not healthy.
Natural tobacco IS far healthier than man altered fer sure.
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PostSubject: Re: An explanation. Of sorts...   Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:28 pm

Fully aware a little smoke goes in. I avoid it the best I can, and do so pretty well. Although, as I've mentioned, since I've been piping, my asthma has simply not been a problem. I'm off my inhaler for the first time in almost a decade. We weren't made to inhale smoke...then again, we weren't made to live in sterile-, particle-, bacteria- and virus-free environments, either. Sometimes the body likes to work, all in good moderation. I got sick far less working at UPS, which was a pretty dirty place with lots of stuff handled by lots of folks, dirt, spit, exhaust, etc. *shrug*

Just preaching to the choir here, I suspect.

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PostSubject: Re: An explanation. Of sorts...   Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:52 pm

Rob_In_MO wrote:
Hey Kyle - Copy/Paste this!








lol!

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PostSubject: Re: An explanation. Of sorts...   Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:02 pm

Kyle Weiss wrote:
Fully aware a little smoke goes in. I avoid it the best I can, and do so pretty well. Although, as I've mentioned, since I've been piping, my asthma has simply not been a problem. I'm off my inhaler for the first time in almost a decade. We weren't made to inhale smoke...then again, we weren't made to live in sterile-, particle-, bacteria- and virus-free environments, either. Sometimes the body likes to work, all in good moderation. I got sick far less working at UPS, which was a pretty dirty place with lots of stuff handled by lots of folks, dirt, spit, exhaust, etc. *shrug*

Just preaching to the choir here, I suspect.

Cool

I have mild asthma that seems to be seasonal - kicks in when winter temps set in, and again when summer temps set in. I did a little reading a while back about treating asthma symptoms with different breathing techniques (i.e. taking a really deep breath and the forcing it out through pursed lips has some sort of pressurizing effect on your lungs that supposedly helps). I wonder if pipe smoking may work in a similar fashion. I have noticed that in recent years my asthma hasn't been too bad, but I never associated it with the pipe.
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PostSubject: Re: An explanation. Of sorts...   Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:14 pm

This is true. I tend to hold my breath as I smoke, allowing the smoke to roll across my tongue and out through my nose, then exhale and jettison the whole puff. Asthma tends to clog up (and in severe cases, scar) the outermost, littlest "fingers" of the lung's system, and a good deep breath holding it and exhaling it slowly does pressurize the system. Kind of like a balloon that sticks together when you first start blowing it up.

Whatever the case may be, I've seen a remarkable improvement in my lung function overall. Of course, trying not to inhale any of the smoke as much as possible. I find my lungs a bit sore after hanging out in the Tinder Box, which the guys seem to get some joy out of hot-boxing the place--there's me, opening the door to get some fresh air. I do prefer to smoke outside for that reason, among others.

Winter usually affects me asthmatically due to mold spores that prefer cooler, moist temperatures (particularly in bathrooms and in the walls), stale air, and wood smoke from fireplaces. Summer I usually get a respite from the heat and dry air, but can also be affected by the desert's natural cycle of plants blooming in late August through October. I love October for all reasons around here, except the pollen. When I go back east for whatever reason, I have an inhaler on me at all times. There's just more moisture, mold and plant rot there--so the desert has been relatively kind to my lungs.

Also why I can't have cats/dogs/horses/goats/platypus as pets.

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PostSubject: Re: An explanation. Of sorts...   Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:09 pm

Quote :
I have mild asthma that seems to be seasonal - kicks in when winter temps set in, and again when summer temps set in. I did a little reading a while back about treating asthma symptoms with different breathing techniques (i.e. taking a really deep breath and the forcing it out through pursed lips has some sort of pressurizing effect on your lungs that supposedly helps). I wonder if pipe smoking may work in a similar fashion. I have noticed that in recent years my asthma hasn't been too bad, but I never associated it with the pipe.

My experience (having been diagnosed with it , on top of allergies, back before they had inhalers & such, keeping my family up at night in the summer from wheezing so loud with it) is that :

Either it's something you "outgrow"

and/or it has an emotional component/is an emotional problem that shows up physically. People get panicked, trying to inhale enough air when the problem is they haven't breathed the old air out. So the 10% they can add to the top isn't doing it. But they're too panicked to stop trying to get more into lungs that are already too full. Chronically over-expanded chests.

Once they've breathed all . . . the . . . way . . . out, they're amazed at how deep a breath they can draw using their intercostal muscles properly.

I'm not claiming it's that simple for everybody. But I get by OK in a house with seven cats I'm allergic to, on top of dust & pollen allergies & cigarettes to boot. Mind & -- ultimately -- composure over matter works for me.

FWIW (if anything)

What a Face + cat X7
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PostSubject: Re: An explanation. Of sorts...   Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:23 pm

Family history of severe asthma for me--definitely not "panic asthma," as I've heard the term coined. Had the stupid condition to a greater or lesser degree since I can remember. Cold air, dogs, cats, pollen, mold spores, excessive smoke, dust, dander, pretty much anything that can suspend in air and end up in my lungs. Laughing

I'm allergic to my chinchilla and have to wear homemade protective gear, despite being on two medications to control allergies. Been eight years around her; never got worse, never got better.

I know for some people they get used to their environments, I always wished I was one of 'em. My liver probably does, too.

When I smoked cigarettes, I never had an asthma attack, but I felt like sh*t in entirely different ways that didn't equalize or rationalize my continuing deathsticks. Ten years later, the pipe is surrogate to that vice, but in an entirely different and reasonable manner. No diminished lung capacity, no nervousness, no sore throat, no bloody phlegm, and costs a hell of a lot less. If that ever changes, away the pipe goes.
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PostSubject: Re: An explanation. Of sorts...   Sun Sep 16, 2012 1:23 am

Welcome back, Simple Man! cheers
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PostSubject: Re: An explanation. Of sorts...   Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:23 am

Simpleman, welcome back.
Same here. I'm attending weekly PTSD counciling and have cronic depression. I read the forum most everyday but it very hard to contribute anything. FWIW.

Bill
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PostSubject: Re: An explanation. Of sorts...   Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:55 pm

I've been away for some time myself, so I haven't had the pleasure of making your aquaintance, Simpleman. But it sounds like you have things on the right track, and that's a good thing.
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PostSubject: Re: An explanation. Of sorts...   Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:58 pm

gospelman wrote:
I've been away for some time myself, so I haven't had the pleasure of making your aquaintance, Simpleman. But it sounds like you have things on the right track, and that's a good thing.

Nice to meet you. Yea, things are going much better now. I'm feeling like my old self again.

Thanks to the rest of you guys who have welcomed me back too. You guys have all been great and it's good to be in your company once again.
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PostSubject: Re: An explanation. Of sorts...   Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:49 pm

Probably one of the most genuine (and weirdest) welcoming back I've read, so... yeah, par for the course here at BoB. You know it's real. cheers Laughing

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