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PostSubject: Re: Enough with the winter.   Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:07 am

Years ago they made mittens for hunters. These had a slit across them with the fabric overlapping a bit. When the wearer wanted to shoot, he poked his finger out through the slit to pull the trigger.

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PostSubject: Re: Enough with the winter.   Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:39 am



I'm definitely sick of winter, even though in MD, we have had a mild January. Temps won't be much above the 20's next week. I'm sick of being stuck in my shop/garage with a space heater and sweatshirt. I long for summer mornings on the patio with barefeet and shorts......
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PostSubject: Re: Enough with the winter.   Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:42 am

You guys are ingenious. I was thinking before about cutting away parts of an old glove to create a smoking glove, but obviously just a little slits at the right points will be even better.

I will be later reporting results! Very Happy


BTW, no wonder I had some numb fingers yesterday. The temp had dropped to -30, only checked later why did it feel so darn cold.
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PostSubject: Re: Enough with the winter.   Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:29 am

Slit wide enough for 4 fingers, in your case.

http://johnsonwoolenmills.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=149

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PostSubject: Re: Enough with the winter.   Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:34 am

Yeah Smile Well, I knit a lot of mittens anyway and happen to have a ball of lovely thick yarn that could not make a full pair, so now I know what it goes to! cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Enough with the winter.   Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:44 am

I LOVE IT that women in your part of the world still do stuff like that. My sister knits, & even had a loom for a while, but it's an occasional hobby. Women don't learn to darn holes in the heels of socks anymore. Or crochet. Or even freaking SEW. Female domestic skills here are distant memories . . . Sad.

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PostSubject: Re: Enough with the winter.   Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:55 am

Yup, if there's a side to me that's unapologetically feminine, it's the fact that I love knitting, and most of the time knit for other people, taking huge enjoyment in the fact that I'm keeping someone dear to me warm.

Hand loom is way cool! I used to live in this old wooden house (want a shover? Start chopping firewood...) where the land lady had 2 hand looms in the cellar. She taught me everything from start to finish - spinning the big wooden frame to create the warp, the hours and hours it takes to get it to the loom before one can actually get weaving... a fine art and also great fun. Before I left to uni, I would be sitting with her chatting and weaving, and then drinking coffee. She was a very old lady and had the pesky habit of actually just being in the right no matter what the problem. A very kind and generous person. I really miss her.
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PostSubject: Re: Enough with the winter.   Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:00 am

Pics or it didn't happen - Razz - helping a relative set their loom a few years back (it was a total pile of junk, BTW, argh! Laughing ) :

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PostSubject: Re: Enough with the winter.   Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:08 am

Among the descendants of the old (1700s) settlers here, there is quite an interest in history and keeping the historical technology of their ancestors alive.

One little town, for years, has had an annual flax scutching festival. People grow it, harvest it, and demonstrate the process of soaking it to loosten the fibres, scuching it to sparate them from the stalks, and so on all the way through to finished home-made linen cloth/clothing.

Before work obliged me to move away (Appalachia is a very depressed area so far as employment goes), I got pretty good at most of what is involved in making a longrifle from scratch, which a few people were still doing in the 1930s. Using them to hunt was still pretty common then -- black powder and percussion caps were far cheaper than store-bought ammunition.

Persistent rumor even has it that some even distill their own whiskey. But that's against the law, so it can't be true. Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Enough with the winter.   Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:10 am

beetlejazz wrote:
BTW, no wonder I had some numb fingers yesterday. The temp had dropped to -30, only checked later why did it feel so darn cold.
Makes the -3 (c) here this morning seem almost balmy! Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Enough with the winter.   Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:30 pm

The great So. Cal cold snap of 2012/2013 ended yesterday.
Temps were so low, socks had to be worn. In the house!
We're pretty resilient people though, and I think most of us survived.
I'm sure Hollywood is feverishly working up screen plays, chronicling our
heroism and stoic resolve in the face of nature gone wild.
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PostSubject: Re: Enough with the winter.   Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:42 pm

Embrace the cold. Get some proper winter gear and go adventuring around your nearest state/national park. Bring a pipe and some beef jerky. I love the winter.
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PostSubject: Re: Enough with the winter.   Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:37 pm

I haven't seen snow in close to 8 years now, I don't miss shoveling it one bit, and I darn sure don't miss the extreme cold associated with the stuff!
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PostSubject: Re: Enough with the winter.   Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:31 am

it's actually been getting below the freezing threshold for water in northern california. frost has been on the ground when i go to work. unacceptable. we pay good money for good weather, right? tongue

that being said i've been pretty bummed when i've been trying to smoke outside. until late this week it's been colder than i've been through on this side of the US. i grew up in philly, but since living in sunny CA for five years i've gone soft. i need a nice man cave in a garage so i can have a smoke in comfort.

also, side note, i went to a hippy school when i was young, and actually worked on a hand loom for a while. it was kind of cool. i also learned to sew and cut cloth at the same time. came in useful when i was a punk rocker. had my own rockstar clothes on the cheap cheers
kind of wish i'd stuck with it. i'd love to be able to make bags and packs out of condura and leather.
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PostSubject: Re: Enough with the winter.   Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:31 am

Erica Arborea, you're right about that one. I really enjoyed my winter-outside sleep over about a month ago. It was beautiful and very snowy, and there's just now place where a pipeful tastes as good for me as by a campfire. Of course the copious amounts of rum and whisky and dirty songs sung added to the experience as well. Loved every bit of it, even waking up half covered in snow in the sleeping bag, although I could have done without the splitting headache. Although the sight of my companions curled up in their sleeping bags like hungover caterpillars made up a bit for that. Laughing And I do enjoy winter most of the time; I've been just bummed at the inability to get a comfortable smoke (as I can't have a camp fire on my balcony Razz )but the mitten-project looks very promising. I will be posting about the results. And perhaps next winter I'll be investing in a heater.


somedumbjerk, your hippy school sounds absolutely cool. You know I don't quite understand the divide to "female" and "male" crafts (no matter what Yak says Laughing ), everyone should just work on what they enjoy, the main thing being preserving the art. I remember chatting with an elderly lady who was very skilled at a certain technique of ornamental weaving that comes from the Karelia (a former part of Finland, nowadays Russia). I would love to try that one! She told me that her youngest son, who was in the army by that time, was really much into weaving and the one she had taught all she knew to. When I was learning weaving, there was a guy living in the same house (it was divided to 4 apartments) who enyjoed weaving too. But he wasn't that much into the preparation part, he was a very religious man and the only time I ever heard him swear was when threading the warp. Laughing Tailoring is still predominantly a male area, and for anyone who enjoys the life outdoors it's good to know some basic sewing skills. It's a bit like for me learning the basics of repairing a bicycle - it's an independence thing. It's good to have a wide variety of skills.
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PostSubject: Re: Enough with the winter.   Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:28 am

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I don't quite understand the divide to "female" and "male" crafts (no matter what Yak says Laughing

Not to be too big a wise ass, but anthropologists do.

Different cultures have the various jobs involved in daily life assigned differently, but there's always that division based on sex. And everybody involved pretty much likes it that way because stuff like that helps keep their culture intact.

You could call it, "Maintaining the world."

Nobody is faced with having to re-invent the world in every encounter.

The idea that we are under some obligation to tear the whole world of human relationships apart and re-invent everything in it is not one that came from the cultural tradition we inherited. It has -- demonstrably -- been imposed on people from outside it, as it was imposed on the Russians in 1917.

The heartbreaking part is watching it play out, knowing that its motivating force is the idealism and trust of (kindly do not take umbrage at the term) the good-hearted but naive among us (a goodly supply of which we have never lacked).

Any f*cking numb-nut can grind away at some corporate job until he/she/it/they achieve some managerial status. This impresses only people who have never done that, and consequently don't realise how freaking lame it is to go around using a job title or an academic/professional degree as a substitute for a personal identity.

Identity is inborn. Nobody else in the whole world can be you. And you cannot possibly ever be somebody else. Yet the world is full of people trying to do that by adopting roles as if they were identities.

They often come to find, in late-night moments of quiet reflection, that their pursuit of a job title and a life of dissipation has swindled them out of a spouse and a family -- an authentic -- organic -- identity that endures.

And that nobody will really miss them when they retire or are fired. Life will go on there with another empty suit in the office chair they used to occupy.

That's what I think, at any rate. To the extent that anybody cares (if any).

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PostSubject: Re: Enough with the winter.   Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:50 am

Uh, I don't believe that easing out some norms around men's crafts/jobs/whatever and those of women would necessarily land us to barracks communism. Talk about a slippery slope argument. This view is not born of naivete, but the opposite - knowing too many people who don't fit the gender-puzzle-piece-place allotted to them. Assuming that as long as women knit and men carve wood world will be an idyl it never were, on the other hand, sounds somewhat naive to me.
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PostSubject: Re: Enough with the winter.   Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:05 pm

I don't think so.

As it turns out, Giuseppi Guarneri del Gesu's wife, Katerina (and whoever the helper in the shop was, if they had one) probably made "his" greatest violins, after his death.

Nobody says (at least I don't) that a gifted individual can't be a rule unto herself. Ginette Neveau ranks among the greatest violinists who ever lived (i.e., people who used the violin to play the music. Not the other way around).

My beef with your approach -- like that of revolutionaries everywhere -- is that you're depending on logic to comprehend, and then re-arrange, life. But life doesn't operate along logical lines.

24% of your hair may have grown on company time. But that doesn't mean you can get it cut on company time.

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PostSubject: Re: Enough with the winter.   Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:13 pm

I'm not a revolutionary. I just think there's a lot of silly stuff assumed that wouldn't need to be assumed - not because it clashed with my rationality, but because it clashes with my experience of how little these assumptions may have to do with real people, and how damaging and frustrating they might be to many of these real people. No top-down idealistic constructions there. Of course you can tell me now that I'm too young to talk about experience, but truth to be told, I've always been in the habit of keeping my eyes open, which, I think, is not always a given.
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PostSubject: Re: Enough with the winter.   Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:16 pm

beetlejazz wrote:
It's a bit like for me learning the basics of repairing a bicycle - it's an independence thing. It's good to have a wide variety of skills.

everyone should learn simple bike repair. i did it professionally for 6 years. some of the greatest moments were when i taught womens clinics. how to fix a flat, safety checks and simple repairs on the road to get them rolling again. there is nothing like when a new woman rider gets empowered by learning to fix her own flat. they ride further, faster and with more confidence. i'm calling it right now, women cycling is the next yoga. and i am stoked about it!
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PostSubject: Re: Enough with the winter.   Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:27 pm

beetlejazz wrote:
Uh, I don't believe that easing out some norms around men's crafts/jobs/whatever and those of women would necessarily land us to barracks communism. Talk about a slippery slope argument. This view is not born of naivete, but the opposite - knowing too many people who don't fit the gender-puzzle-piece-place allotted to them. Assuming that as long as women knit and men carve wood world will be an idyl it never were, on the other hand, sounds somewhat naive to me.
BINGO!! You've paraphrased a lot of what's driving things here in the US. CHANGE, it's the ONLY constant in the world, and the one that's hardest for a lot of folks to deal with!
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PostSubject: Re: Enough with the winter.   Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:29 pm

No. I'm not out to "win the discussion."

Mrs. Yak does all our car stuff. Oil, fluids, tires . . . even drives nearly everyplace we go (except in the worst winter weather). She was frustrated, growing up, because her dad thought playing with car stuff wasn't for girls ; now she's making up for lost time. And loving it.

I don't think he was even so invested into the sex role business as he was concerned that people would perceive her as a tomboy, and that would work against her.

What I think you're missing in this is that sex roles are comfortable places people occupy while they're getting to know other people. They're especially comfortable boundaries -- easily invoked and inarguable in force. Social lubricants, you could call them, that smooth out unknown, potential discords.

Nobody says you can't step out a bit as you get comfortable with whoever.

It has been my experience that women in public and those same women in private, assured that they're appreciated, are radically different. Anthropologists from some other planet, studying them, would find it difficult to believe they were the same creatures.

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PostSubject: Re: Enough with the winter.   Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:34 pm

It's actually been relatively mild round here the past couple of mornings. The thermometer on my deck reads -10°F (-23°C), which is still cold and no noubt, but for the past few weeks it's been nearer -20°F (-28°C) and a few days were a bit colder than that. I know this is no great news for other cold spots around the world, but for the California Sierras its been an effin cold January! (late December too).

Kaj Zackrisson & Sverre Lillequist make some great hats, still hand knit by the boys.
They started with crochet hats for friends and the business took off from there.

http://www.kaskofsweden.com/

http://www.freerideworldtour.com/kaj-zackrisson-sverre-liliequist.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSWsZnVZtcs
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PostSubject: Re: Enough with the winter.   Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:47 pm

Yak wrote:
No. I'm not out to "win the discussion."

Mrs. Yak does all our car stuff. Oil, fluids, tires . . . even drives nearly everyplace we go (except in the worst winter weather). She was frustrated, growing up, because her dad thought playing with car stuff wasn't for girls ; now she's making up for lost time. And loving it.

I don't think he was even so invested into the sex role business as he was concerned that people would perceive her as a tomboy, and that would work against her.

What I think you're missing in this is that sex roles are comfortable places people occupy while they're getting to know other people. They're especially comfortable boundaries -- easily invoked and inarguable in force. Social lubricants, you could call them, that smooth out unknown, potential discords.

Nobody says you can't step out a bit as you get comfortable with whoever.

It has been my experience that women in public and those same women in private, assured that they're appreciated, are radically different. Anthropologists from some other planet, studying them, would find it difficult to believe they were the same creatures.

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at risk of oversimplifying your statement, i've always found it fascinating how a woman laughs in public, versus alone or when she doesn't feel like she's being watched. a woman truly laughing, fully comfortable and at ease, is one of the most beautiful things ever. y'all some complex creatures. sorry not very articulate as of late but i think you catch my meaning.
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PostSubject: Re: Enough with the winter.   Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:59 pm

Ditto with the laughter-thing but from the other side! It's curious because it's a thought I've entertained for a few years now. I find it incredibly attractive when a man laughs, and I mean, really laughs - be it resounding, bending his head back with the length of his throat showing cakle, or curling up to hold his stomach near to tears, or a red-faced, hysterics bordering giggle. I just love to behold it, especially if I'm the one who has made him laugh. But sadly not that many men can let go of themselves that way, I wonder if it's the pesky old story where men tell jokes and women laugh, or is it "in the genes" (a very dangerous path nevertheless popular among the armchair-psycho-evolutionists of the internet era). Well whatever it is, I love it when a man is able to laugh with ease.
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