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bentbulldog

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PostSubject: Classic Billiard recommendation    Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:03 am

I'm looking to get a classic billiard pipe. Seeing the old photos of Tolkien smoking and my new corn cobs inspired me.
However I've noticed that this is the most confusing shape because of all the variations. Peterson has the 6, 106, 107, blah blah
I can't understand savinellis numbers.

I'm looking for a dark, smooth finish, in a classic shape, which I understand is English in origin, and under $100 (I hope that's possible)

I do have my eye on some Petes and savs but the numbers confuse me.

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PostSubject: Re: Classic Billiard recommendation    Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:46 am

How about this?
http://brothersofbriar.forumotion.com/t22442-br13-10-dark-chubby-pot-new-picture-set-15-3-2013

I have a Bruno pipe and it is a magnificent smoke. Not to mention its under 100 shipped.
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PostSubject: Re: Classic Billiard recommendation    Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:02 am

Let's also not forget about the Peterson 15,440, 53s, 86, 87, x105, 120, 264, 0r the 407. That's not including various shapes in other categories, like the system 31 or any of the house pipes collection. In fact there are just so many tiny variations in pipe shapes that the whole numbering system with most pipe makers is absolutely pointless for the average pipe smoker. You would pretty much have to be a hardcore pipe nerd to instantly know any pipe shape by its number.
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PostSubject: Re: Classic Billiard recommendation    Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:58 am

Mattia76 has a good many Billiards on his site. (vikingclubpipes) For $100.00 you could get two!
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PostSubject: Re: Classic Billiard recommendation    Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:37 am

Dan, you are a fine gentleman. Thanks for the link. I was thinking about getting a pot down the line but now you got me thinking.

And all those Pete numbers is what I'm talking about. There are pots, chimneys, longshanks, etc... But which is considered the most traditional billiard shape. I think they should have mini charts where the most basic/traditional starts at the top and then we see the variations.
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PostSubject: Re: Classic Billiard recommendation    Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:45 am

Pete billiards = 105 & 106 for the most part.

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PostSubject: Re: Classic Billiard recommendation    Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:30 am

In Savinelli numbers look for the 110, 111, 114, 141, 128, and 127.


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PostSubject: Re: Classic Billiard recommendation    Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:36 am

watch eBay and I'll bet you find a nice GBD 133 or an Orlik 20 for less than $50 before too much time passes. Two of the nicer billiards ever made, and they won't cost you much to acquire.
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PostSubject: Re: Classic Billiard recommendation    Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:19 am

Yak wrote:
Pete billiards = 105 & 106 for the most part.

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Yup, this is what I was going to chime in with. The "6", too. Though, my favorite is the 264 which is more of a short Canadian than a true billiard.
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PostSubject: Re: Classic Billiard recommendation    Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:23 am

or you could spend a little bit more and have one made for you Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Classic Billiard recommendation    Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:27 am

Ocelot55 wrote:
In Savinelli numbers look for the 110, 111, 114, 141, 128, and 127.

Oy affraid the but which one is the most traditional?
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PostSubject: Re: Classic Billiard recommendation    Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:48 am

bentbulldog wrote:
Ocelot55 wrote:
In Savinelli numbers look for the 110, 111, 114, 141, 128, and 127.

Oy affraid the but which one is the most traditional?

If you look at the general shape they're basically the same. They differ mainly in size and whether or not the bit is tapered or saddle.
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PostSubject: Re: Classic Billiard recommendation    Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:31 am

Even billiards are female. In that while one basic design common to all, there's a spectrum of intriguingly subtle variation.

Really. Spend some time soaking Green's Comoy collection into your eyes. Then What's his face's Dunhills . . . add more. They vary even amongst themselves.

I don't think the assumption that there's a procrustian bed holds up well in practice.

No few of them are made precisely according to the blueprint but just . . . don't . . . quite . . . come off.

Geometry is certainly involved, but it's not all numbers.

A pipe with no magic involved is just another pipe.

YMMV

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PostSubject: Re: Classic Billiard recommendation    Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:15 am

The Dunhill LB would be my choice as representative of a "classic" billiard shape. I have both an LB and an exact clone, a Dover Deluxe, made by Comoy's for the old Leonard's of Portland pipe shop. I got it for slightly more than a C-note.

(I'd post a pic but for some reason can no longer do so and ain't about to spend time finding out why.)

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PostSubject: Re: Classic Billiard recommendation    Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:14 pm

Ocelot55 wrote:
In Savinelli numbers look for the 110, 111, 114, 141, 128, and 127.

This . Savinelli makes several classicak Billiards even if the have different numbers, they are ALL considered classical Billiards. Here's on in the Spring line that is as "classical" as it gets and is in your price range. A Billiard is not hard to find Twisted Evil

http://www.smokingpipes.com/pipes/new/savinelli/moreinfo.cfm?product_id=120330
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PostSubject: Re: Classic Billiard recommendation    Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:35 pm

It's possible to make too much of the question, "What is a classic _______ shape?" Just search for "pipe shape charts." Look at the little silhouettes (sp?) -- i.e. size and shape of bowl, straight or bent or either, proportion between bowl height and stem length, etc. and then begin your search.

Unfortunately, some of the "fresh pipes" sites no longer ID their wares by labeling the shape. You're just expected to know, I guess. However, sites for refurb pipes usually do supply a label, which is handy. Sometimes IDs aren't as clear cut as they might seem. I have a nice Wilke billiard some ID as a Dublin, ignoring the possibility that there's such a thing as a canted billiard. But once you have the idea of a "classic" billiard as it might exist in Plato's Cave, you don't need further instruction, though hearing other opinions has a useful instructional value. Happy hunting.
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PostSubject: Re: Classic Billiard recommendation    Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:32 am

I picked up a Lincoln, London Made billiard not to long ago for less than 20. while it is a sandblasted briar, its the shape you're after.

I'd never heard of 'em before and just bought it because it looked old, well loved, and well used.

Its is an EXCEPTIONAL smoker - in fact just finished a bowl of presbyterian mixture in it now. While smoking it this morning i came to the conclusion that it is actually a far nicer smoker than my Dunhill Shell Briar.

I'd say look around, don't be afraid to spend SMALL money on a good estate that is not a big name - you may be very pleasantly surprised.
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