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PostSubject: Lost A Smoking Spot   Mon May 13, 2013 7:35 am

I went to one of my favorite coffee shops today to enjoy a breve and a pipe on their patio. Turns out that they have come under new management and they don't allow any smoking on the patio any more. What a shame, I used to love that coffee shop.



On a bright note, I added a flake of MacBaren's Old Dark Fired to some Boswell's Northwoods to make a strangely satisfying mix.
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PostSubject: Re: Lost A Smoking Spot   Mon May 13, 2013 7:37 am

feel your pain brother; nice lighter
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PostSubject: Re: Lost A Smoking Spot   Mon May 13, 2013 7:53 am

I hope you told em why you won't be back. Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Lost A Smoking Spot   Mon May 13, 2013 8:06 am

Hermit wrote:
I hope you told em why you won't be back. Twisted Evil

..and that you won't be bringing your friends either! Surprised
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PostSubject: Re: Lost A Smoking Spot   Mon May 13, 2013 8:46 am

That would be the last time they'd see my face there. Or my smoking friends.'

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PostSubject: Re: Lost A Smoking Spot   Mon May 13, 2013 9:54 am

Wow, this really blows, hopefully you have another spot you can enjoy a bowlful on the patio, with your coffee.
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PostSubject: Re: Lost A Smoking Spot   Mon May 13, 2013 10:42 am

We have reached a time where smoking is allowed only in very few places. I was looking at apartment rentals the other day. Prospective landlords are telling tenants that smoking isn't allowed.
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PostSubject: Re: Lost A Smoking Spot   Mon May 13, 2013 12:05 pm

I am still pretty lucky. There are still plenty of places for me to smoke my pipe, including indoors at few bars, the local tobacco shop, and ironically Starbucks patio. If all goes well I will be closing on house in the end of June thar has a massive front porch.
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PostSubject: Re: Lost A Smoking Spot   Mon May 13, 2013 12:15 pm

dpkrause wrote:
I went to one of my favorite coffee shops today to enjoy a breve and a pipe on their patio. Turns out that they have come under new management and they don't allow any smoking on the patio any more. What a shame, I used to love that coffee shop.

But, isn't the patio outdoors? As in, in the open air, the open sky, out-of-doors, not an enclosed space? I must be missing something here?

(yes, I am being flippant)
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PostSubject: Re: Lost A Smoking Spot   Tue May 14, 2013 4:43 am

That'd be the last time I ended up there, too. I won't complain about not being able to smoke inside, as that isn't my way, but that crosses the line. Sorry to hear that.

My former boss at the coffee place for whom I roasted coffee is into cigars (as is his son who works there) so, at least for now, I'm protected. I have Tinder Box, the wilds of Nevada and my porch with a great view.

Hey, good luck closing on that house with the porch--pictures, if you don't mind (provided you luck out and it goes through escrow). I'm kind of a vicarious house-o-phile, I dig people's yards, porches and the like. Gives me ideas for the future. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Lost A Smoking Spot   Tue May 14, 2013 4:28 pm

I smoke mostly at home, I own it and do as I please there. I don't frequent establishments that don't support me.
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PostSubject: Re: Lost A Smoking Spot   Tue May 14, 2013 9:58 pm

When did respect turn into hatred? I'm from an era where smoking was common and a lack of respect would earn you a knuckle sandwich.

The pollution crowd now include patio and even forests. Outfits like Green Peace and The Sierra Club are only fund raising machine that have struck it rich on the guliable.

Here, the latest leaves it possible to smoke in a bar and that's it for buildings. Cigarettes cost more per pack than 2 cartons used to and they are eying pipe tobacco.

And if you cheat in a city, go over the speed limit, and whatever, you are on camera and will be assimilated and fined by a bit of glass and silicon. That is my peer?

Folks, damn glad I lived when I did. Wouldn't trade that life for youth today. They talk about smarter, kinder, gentler. I'd call it groundless, manipulative and dictatorial.
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PostSubject: Re: Lost A Smoking Spot   Tue May 14, 2013 10:11 pm

Exactly.

IMO, the sea change today isn't so much that awareness of this is dawning on people as it is that
they're realising (sometimes with a shock) that others are not only seeing the same thing they do,
but have been for a while now. That whatever our differences, we're all in the same boat together.
And that the root issue truly is, in a nutshell, Us against Them.

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PostSubject: Re: Lost A Smoking Spot   Tue May 14, 2013 11:06 pm

Thankfully Yak, they didn't realize his perversion was responsible for the destruction of this glorious piece of nature or they would have proceeded to lynch him.


Tree Heath Shrub

Next step will be to declare it an endangered specie and ban its import.
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PostSubject: Re: Lost A Smoking Spot   Tue May 14, 2013 11:26 pm

As I'm sure many of you know, smoking in public was banned a long old time ago here in the UK. Around 2007 I think...

Most rental accommodation is also no smoking as are many outside places now, bus stations and such.

Because many people enjoy a smoke with their alcohol of choice, the public houses are empty and people have to go outside. The irony is,
even the non-smokers go outside because that's where everyone is.
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Kyle Weiss

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PostSubject: Re: Lost A Smoking Spot   Wed May 15, 2013 4:12 am

JKenP wrote:
When did respect turn into hatred? I'm from an era where smoking was common and a lack of respect would earn you a knuckle sandwich.

The pollution crowd now include patio and even forests. Outfits like Green Peace and The Sierra Club are only fund raising machine that have struck it rich on the guliable.

Here, the latest leaves it possible to smoke in a bar and that's it for buildings. Cigarettes cost more per pack than 2 cartons used to and they are eying pipe tobacco.

And if you cheat in a city, go over the speed limit, and whatever, you are on camera and will be assimilated and fined by a bit of glass and silicon. That is my peer?

Folks, damn glad I lived when I did. Wouldn't trade that life for youth today. They talk about smarter, kinder, gentler. I'd call it groundless, manipulative and dictatorial.


Why do you think some of us in the younger set are looking back for music, art, movies, hobbies, interests and simple pleasures? It's the only refuge from modern insanity we have.

Dear future: Utopia kind of sucks, please fix.

Thanks,

Weiss. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Lost A Smoking Spot   Wed May 15, 2013 4:17 am

WASHINGTON, May 10, 2013—In a shocking affront to the United States Constitution, the U.S. Departments of Justice and Education have joined together to mandate that virtually every college and university in the United States establish unconstitutional speech codes that violate the First Amendment and decades of legal precedent.

"I am appalled by this attack on free speech on campus from our own government," said Greg Lukianoff, president of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE), which has been leading the fight against unconstitutional speech codes on America's college campuses since its founding in 1999. "In 2011, the Department of Education took a hatchet to due process protections for students accused of sexual misconduct. Now the Department of Education has enlisted the help of the Department of Justice to mandate campus speech codes so broad that virtually every student will regularly violate them. The DOE and DOJ are ignoring decades of legal decisions, the Constitution, and common sense, and it is time for colleges and the public to push back."

In a letter sent yesterday to the University of Montana that explicitly states that it is intended as "a blueprint for colleges and universities throughout the country," the Departments of Justice and Education have mandated a breathtakingly broad definition of sexual harassment that it makes virtually every student in the United States a harasser while ignoring the First Amendment. The mandate applies to every college receiving federal funding—virtually every American institution of higher education nationwide, public or private.

The letter states that "sexual harassment should be more broadly defined as 'any unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature'" including "verbal conduct" (that is, speech). It then explicitly states that allegedly harassing expression need not even be offensive to an "objectively reasonable person of the same gender in the same situation"—if the listener takes offense to sexually related speech for any reason, no matter how irrationally or unreasonably, the speaker may be punished.

This result directly contradicts previous Department of Education guidance on sexual harassment. In 2003, the Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights (OCR) stated that harassment "must include something beyond the mere expression of views, words, symbols or thoughts that some person finds offensive." Further, the letter made clear that "OCR's standards require that the conduct be evaluated from the perspective of a reasonable person in the alleged victim's position, considering all the circumstances, including the alleged victim's age."

Among the forms of expression now punishable on America's campuses by order of the federal government are:

Any expression related to sexual topics that offends any person. This leaves a wide range of expressive activity—a campus performance of "The Vagina Monologues," a presentation on safe sex practices, a debate about sexual morality, a discussion of gay marriage, or a classroom lecture on Vladimir Nabokov's Lolita—subject to discipline.

Any sexually themed joke overheard by any person who finds that joke offensive for any reason.

Any request for dates or any flirtation that is not welcomed by the recipient of such a request or flirtation.

There is likely no student on any campus anywhere who is not guilty of at least one of these "offenses." Any attempt to enforce this rule evenhandedly and comprehensively will be impossible.

"The federal government has put colleges and universities in an impossible position with this mandate," said Lukianoff. "With this unwise and unconstitutional decision, the DOJ and DOE have doomed American campuses to years of confusion and expensive lawsuits, while students' fundamental rights twist in the wind."

"The Departments of Education and Justice are out of control," continued Lukianoff. "Banning everyday speech on campus? Eliminating fundamental due process protections? Ignoring its own previous statements? They even misquoted the Supreme Court. This cannot be allowed to continue]/i]."

[i]FIRE is a nonprofit educational foundation that unites civil rights and civil liberties leaders, scholars, journalists, and public intellectuals from across the political and ideological spectrum on behalf of individual rights, freedom of expression, academic freedom, due process, and rights of conscience at our nation's colleges and universities. FIRE's efforts to preserve liberty on campuses across America can be viewed at thefire.org.


http://thefire.org/article/15767.html

What a Face

AND WTF BUSINESS IS IT OF THEIRS WHAT PEOPLE SAY ?
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PostSubject: Re: Lost A Smoking Spot   Wed May 15, 2013 4:27 am

It's like the new national pastime is nitpicking things for the sake of useless complexity. Well, it's actually for control and money, but I digress. Laughing

I'll stick with baseball. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Lost A Smoking Spot   Wed May 15, 2013 6:58 pm

I would have looked at the manager and told him that the general practitioner I used to see, encouraged me to give up coffee, as well as smoking. Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Lost A Smoking Spot   Thu May 16, 2013 2:36 am

That stinks. Sorry Daniel.
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