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monbla256

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PostSubject: Some more info on Charatans   Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:04 pm

Was "browsing"  this afternoon and came across this info on some Charatan's with LOTS of pics on a German site! Sadly it has no English translation of the info, but it does have LOTS of pics of those much loved "...miss drilled Golf clubs" as some here like to describe 'em  Twisted Evil ( not as I would describe 'em, but then I like and smoke 'em Twisted Evil )

http://www.daft.de/pmwiki.php/Pfeifen/Charatan#top
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PostSubject: Re: Some more info on Charatans   Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:27 pm

Thanks for the link monbla!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Some more info on Charatans   Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:47 pm

Cool pics.
The giant Supreme in the second photo is amazing.
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PostSubject: Re: Some more info on Charatans   Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:03 pm

Those are some very nice Charatans on that site.  I'm trying to find a picture of a shape Charatan made called the "Countryman".  It's been replicated by James Upshall and most recently Northern Briars, but I can't find a Charatan example.
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PostSubject: Some more info on Charatans   Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:44 pm

Thanks for the link....outstanding pipes.
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PostSubject: Re: Some more info on Charatans   Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:24 am

translated (poorly)




Manfred Arenz
Founded in 1863 by Frederik Charatan, Charatan pipes is one of the oldest brands on the planet.
Long time were the pipes of this manufacturer as the quality most of England, still renowned as Dunhill .
Charatan was in the 30s one of the first to Freehands produced, long before Stanwell / Ivarsson . Until 1973, all pipes were made ​​entirely by hand, from 1973 to the low grades with mechanical assistance.
In 1977 the brand name was on the competitors Dunhill sold. Evil tongues say that Dunhillsecured the gems from the Charatan factory itself, and sold as "Collector". In fact, the Charatan brand experienced a decline, until they disappeared in the late 80 times from the market. Meanwhile Charatans reappear, but they are now in France (in BC made).

Additional 17.10.2004:
Charatans be back, allegedly made lately in England by a single pipe maker. This should again be reached, the old reputation.

Prices
75 - to 250, - EUR, Freehands 250 - to 750 - EUR (in the "heyday" to $ 10,000)

Markers
Charatan - Made by hand in the City of London on the spar, additional quality level on the left side of the mouthpiece: CP right mouthpiece page: Patent no. with Hands Free with Remote bite mouthpiece (Sattelbiß "Double Comfort").
The markings were changed often gradually over time, for the United States-Import (Lane) were used other stampings.

Qualities (low to high)
"Rough", "Rarity" rustiziert / sandgestrahlt "Perfection", "Belvedere": Serienpfeife glatt in rötlichem Ton "Special", "Distinction", "Executive", "After Hours", "Selected", "Supreme": Freehands
zusätzliche Grades: "Extra Large" / "XL" für Giant

Models
"Coronation", "archievement", "Crown archievement", "Royal archievement", "Summa cum Laude" eingeführt von Dunhill für die "Supreme" - Qualität
In 1980, one of four ever made was "; Summa cum Laude" traded for $ 10,000.Qualitatively equivalent to a "special" before the takeover of a Dunhill Dunhill "Root Briar".

Short Description
Classic English pipe par excellence, the Free Hands in some huge formats have long been the dream of every pipe connoisseur.
The mouthpiece is made of high quality Para rubber without filters. The double saddle is a Charatan identification.

Conclusion
Charatan was long considered the best " Dunhill ".




Martin Farrent
Comment on the article by Ivy Ryan
Ivy what Ryan describes in her mid as famous article, is the time for their assessment of each unique manufacturing Charatan Pipe by a single craftsman.
Nevertheless, in so far remained Charatan a traditional English manufacturer, as these artisans were largely anonymous, does not go to individuals up and down the brand. In this respect there was no difference to Dunhill , BBB , GBD and other major brands.
Meanwhile Charatan's history and is basically the situation quite differently: Just Charatan former employees have the newer Dunhill competitors Millville and Upshall made ​​known, while Ashton and Les Wood former Dunhill people are. All four brands are highly dependent on particular known individual artists. After the merger generally evaluated as a decline in the production of GBD, BBB, Orlik , Loewe and Comoy's under Cadogan Dunhill thus only remains as a truly independent brand people are. At most Upshall could try my opinion, to stay without the figurehead Barry Jones on the market. However, this is now unlikely, as Jones is to be the only pipe maker now in operation.
Ivy loves Ryan, however, the irretrievable ... So you could like smooth this situation ;-)
(21.01.2003)




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Pictures


Eine im Cavalier Grade "Selected"
(Manfred Arenz, 03.09.2009)



A giant Supreme, to illustrate the size in addition to a (somewhat mick term ;-) Dunhill ODA
(Manfred Arenz, 03.09.2009)



A Coronation of considerable size
(Manfred Arenz, 11.02.2009)



A Crown Achievement, the gold band is hallmarked by L.WOOD and 1985
(Manfred Arenz, 11.02.2009)



Eine Distinction Extra Large
(Manfred Arenz, 30.12.2008)



A "Selected" Dublin stand pipe with stepped head border, the tobacco chamber runs extremely conical - not so easy to smoke
(Manfred Arenz, 24.05.2008)



Top right: a picture executive with beautiful grain, 
a next higher graded Selected with flatter grain. 
Below left, a true giant pipe in the Supreme Grade S, 
next to another Selected

(Manfred Arenz, 20/12/2007)



Photo von F. Rossi


Photo von F. Rossi


Photo von F. Rossi
One of the rarest in the world Pipes: A Royal Achievement.
The gold band bears the stamp of L & S Les Wood and the hallmark "K" (= 1983). The grain is immaculate, the whistle of huge dimensions (6 cm high, 20 cm long). Only the mouthpiece is (as with most of the 80 Charatans) performed somewhat clumsy.
(Manfred Arenz, 14.12.2007)



The picture shows a FreeHand from before Dunhill is seen.
The pipe is fitted about 19 cm long and with a perfect and tight straight grain grain. No spot, no Kittstelle.
The pipe can stand by itself on the two "feet" on the head.
Quality: "Selected, Freehand Extra Large" from the period 1960-1965. Price: 400 back then - DM (200, - €), now several hundred dollars on ebay bid for such a piece. Today a Selected XL costs 700 - €
(Manfred Arenz)



These Freehand comes from the time before the takeover by Dunhill.
The pipe has a decent grain, no spots and of course no glued parts. The size of these Freehand is remarkable.
Qualität: Selected, Freehand Extra Large
(Thomas Schoke)



The picture shows a typical older Charatan "Distinction" with a shorter stem.
The Straight Grain is only on one side, the back is textured flat. However, the pipe is putty and spot free.
(Manfred Arenz)



Here is a 30 year old Freehand Charatan, for their shape, there is hardly a name ... Pot? - Prince? - 9s iron? ... It is hard to keep in the mouth, but otherwise technically smoke is top notch!
(Manfred Arenz)



2 nicely grained Charatans recent, the top of the pot introduced in the 90's series "authentic", including a Lovat "special" with the "Lane" stamp (L in a circle) of a U.S. importer.
(Manfred Arenz)



(Karl-Heinz Krebs)



(Karl-Heinz Krebs)



(Karl-Heinz Krebs)



(Karl-Heinz Krebs)



(Karl-Heinz Krebs)



Charatan with beautiful grain, which has an error on the stile, was with an intermediate piece (of something cheap aussehendem) plastic sleeve and offered as a grade Late Night.
(Manfred Arenz)



An executive from the Lane era, beautiful Straight Grain-round, with 2 finger grooves on the head.
(Manfred Arenz)



An older Charatan Supreme in deep red. The grain is not as gorgeous as with many low graded Selecteds, despite the highest grading of pipe
(Manfred Arenz)



Charatan Freehand Relief: A Giant Dublin with beautiful uniform structure after sandblasting. Despite the large size of this collection, it is lightweight.
(Manfred Arenz)



Charatan Selected: A Fullbent with magnificent Straight Grain around the entire bowl. Minor errors were concealed by bring 2 handholds.
(Manfred Arenz)



Charatan Supreme S Before the takeover by Dunhill was already the top-class "Supreme" expanded first "Supreme S" as this original "sled" Dublin, later "Supreme S100" to Supreme S300 "
(Manfred Arenz)



Charatan Coronation The Dunhill acquisition, the top grading was further extended upwards, in the true image "coronation": a Coronation. In the "Archievement", "Crown archives Movement", "Royal Archievement" and were still out as the highest grading "summa cum laude".
(Manfred Arenz)
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PostSubject: Re: Some more info on Charatans   Sat Jun 15, 2013 2:55 am

Google Ivy Ryan and Charatan. Quite a lengthy history of Charatan.
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PostSubject: Re: Some more info on Charatans   Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:11 pm

This is an old thread, but I finally managed to snag a Charatan Countryman today. This one is a Selected Extra Large




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PostSubject: Re: Some more info on Charatans   Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:54 pm

Quite the unique shape Al. Don't think I've seen one like that until just now.

Cool


Cheers,

RR
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PostSubject: Re: Some more info on Charatans   Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:04 pm

Brewdude wrote:
Quite the unique shape Al. Don't think I've seen one like that until just now.

Cool


Cheers,

RR

I saw this shape several years ago and it stuck in my mind. James Upshall made it and Northern Briars frequently makes the shape. I've read it was used by apprentice pipe makers to show their skills and earn their stripes. I've passed on a few Northern Briars, because of the size. They are always large. But I couldn't resist the genuine article.
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PostSubject: Re: Some more info on Charatans   Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:34 pm

Nice score Al! That one is really going to stand out in your pipe racks in more ways than one! cheers cheers cheers
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