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PostSubject: In need of some advice wanting to upgrad to a few nice pipes   Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:01 pm

So Ive been smoking a pipe for a bit now and its very enjoyable I even managed to cut way back on smoking.Ive got two cobs one burnt out no biggy their 5 bucks. I did notice after a lot of use the stems get weaker and don't fit as tight does this this happen to high end pipes as well? Ive done alot of research on finding the right pipe for me my budget is about 150 was thinking two pipes would be a good idea just have to find two good pipes for the right price. Im not opposed to used pipes.But I want quality as well so if any one has advice its Very welcomed.  Also how long will a good pipe last if taken care of?
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PostSubject: Re: In need of some advice wanting to upgrad to a few nice pipes   Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:42 pm

In my experience some cobs stems get loose, probably because it's a cheap wood shank pine or the like and it absorbs moisture and expands much more then briar.

As far as a good pipe in your price range, I would recommend an estate (used) Mastro De Paja (in good condition of course) or any medium to higher grade Italian maker.
Yes, I'm a bit bias, I like Italians but, because not only for design but for draw. They seem to have a more open draw then Danes and some others but, I'm not saying Danes aren't any good. Just my preference.
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PostSubject: Re: In need of some advice wanting to upgrad to a few nice pipes   Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:55 pm

This will give you two very serviceable, long lasting (years) briars for your $150.

http://www.smokingpipes.com/pipes/new/savinelli/moreinfo.cfm?product_id=128545

http://www.smokingpipes.com/pipes/new/savinelli/moreinfo.cfm?product_id=119280

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PostSubject: Re: In need of some advice wanting to upgrad to a few nice pipes   Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:27 pm

Puff Daddy wrote:
This will give you two  very serviceable, long lasting (years) briars for your $150.

http://www.smokingpipes.com/pipes/new/savinelli/moreinfo.cfm?product_id=128545

http://www.smokingpipes.com/pipes/new/savinelli/moreinfo.cfm?product_id=119280

I would have to concur with PD, Savinelli would probably have a pipe or two in your price range and quality level. They make some of the BEST machine made pipes IMHO in today's marketplace.As to how long they would last, I have some briar pipes my father bought new back in 1945/6 and I'm currently smoking every pipe I've bought since 1969. Twisted Evil 
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PostSubject: Re: In need of some advice wanting to upgrad to a few nice pipes   Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:34 pm

Thanx for the advice on the pipes all really helps me out alot. I think two should be enough for now. But one could always use more.
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PostSubject: Re: In need of some advice wanting to upgrad to a few nice pipes   Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:38 pm

My reasoning for listing those two specific pipes:

Both have acrylic stems, no vulcanite to go green and give off a bad taste.

Both are bent but not extreme and would be comfortable/appealing to most pipe smokers. A bent billiard and bent pot, both classic shapes.

Both have a good bit of wood surrounding the chamber, no thin walls.

One rusticated and one smooth.

Buying both pipes, new, change back from your $150, will last a lifetime with care.

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PostSubject: Re: In need of some advice wanting to upgrad to a few nice pipes   Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:46 pm

do they burn hot?
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PostSubject: Re: In need of some advice wanting to upgrad to a few nice pipes   Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:01 pm

Burning hot is a symtom created by the smoker, not the pipe, in most cases. True, cheap pipes can tend towards burning hot or smoking wet, but that is usually very cheap (Grabow, etc) pipes where almost no attention has been paid to engineeering or tolerances. Savinelli makes a very good inexpensive pipe, which is not the same as a cheap pipe. The keys are (1) not smoking wet PG soaked cheap tobaccos (2) making sure the tobacco you choose is fairly dry when you smoke it (3) packing on the light side, not the tight side, and (4) smoking with a nice slow cadence. You have to be fine with it going out and not giving a shit if it doesn't stay lit. Sip the tobacco. Relights are not a big deal. I usually don't find a pipe getting into a groove where it needs no relighting for many, many minutes after the initial light. Sip and taste the tobacco, which gives off it true flavor at a smoldering burn, not an ever-burning coal fire.

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PostSubject: Re: In need of some advice wanting to upgrad to a few nice pipes   Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:05 pm

THIS ^^^^^^^

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PostSubject: Re: In need of some advice wanting to upgrad to a few nice pipes   Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:25 pm

On how long they'll last. If taken care of, and with a modicum of luck, they can outlast you! I have some Kaywoodies that date to the 1920's that are still in good shape and smoke well. There are even older pipes on ebay too.
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PostSubject: Re: In need of some advice wanting to upgrad to a few nice pipes   Sat Aug 03, 2013 8:32 am

You've gotten some good advice. Price doesn't equate to better in all respects. A basket pipe from a good shop is about as cheap/inexpensive as it gets and can be as enjoyable and lasting as the finest of pipe at collector prices. Collectors of 4-figure pipes occasionally have complained about how such a pipe smoked for them. One of the fun things about pipes and pipers is there are no absolutes. You can be a major collector or a cheap pipe snob and fit right in.

My only advice is to have fun choosing something you like. If it came from a solid shop and there are a half dozen online ones that we are frequently mentioning, you can rely on them not selling you a piece of junk.

A pipe that is less expensive than you mention would make sense. It will let you decide just what you like about pipes and smoking and let you better go in the direction you found.

And, you can buy a replacement/improved stem for a cob for $20 or thereabout from Walker Repair. That turns them into something special. If you like cobs but have trouble with MM cheap stems, you can get a better stem. Cobs aren't a bad way to go. They are reliable for what they are and good smokers.

Take a look at Viking Pipe Club, he post here from time to time and is an honest purveyor of estate pipe. You can get an estate that is an exceptional pipe for a fraction of the cost.
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PostSubject: Re: In need of some advice wanting to upgrad to a few nice pipes   Sat Aug 03, 2013 12:47 pm

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You've gotten some good advice.  Price doesn't equate to better in all respects.

Take a look at Viking Pipe Club, he post here from time to time and is an honest purveyor of estate pipe.  You can get an estate that is an exceptional pipe for a fraction of the cost.

I've bought 6 pipes from Viking Pipe Club and all of them are superb in every way. For US $150 you can buy two quality pipes from them.
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PostSubject: Re: In need of some advice wanting to upgrad to a few nice pipes   Sat Aug 03, 2013 1:24 pm

Im just glad I got some good sound advice from everyone here it never hurts to ask. Ive still got alot to learn.
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PostSubject: Re: In need of some advice wanting to upgrad to a few nice pipes   Sat Aug 03, 2013 1:40 pm

Check out Marty Pulvers also.

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PostSubject: Re: In need of some advice wanting to upgrad to a few nice pipes   Sat Aug 03, 2013 1:57 pm

Wow Theres a whole lot of choices o boy ha.
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PostSubject: Re: In need of some advice wanting to upgrad to a few nice pipes   Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:54 pm

I've checked Viking Club just now and Nathan's got a couple of BEAUTIFUL pipes at very fair prices. Just look at all the Savinelli Pipes, even a couple of Punto Oro !!!
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PostSubject: Re: In need of some advice wanting to upgrad to a few nice pipes   Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:03 pm

which do you feel would be the best one for a new comer?
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PostSubject: Re: In need of some advice wanting to upgrad to a few nice pipes   Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:07 pm

Anything you like that's a reasonable size (not gigantic), in good shape, not bent more than 1/4 and by a reputable firm.

Asking people who don't know what you like what you should buy is a little shaky, IMO

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PostSubject: Re: In need of some advice wanting to upgrad to a few nice pipes   Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:13 pm

There is a delicate balance with "hot" pipes.  I have a lot of what I affectionately call "orphan briars," pipes that were graciously given to me, sometimes because the original owner couldn't crack the code...in other words, find out why the pipe wasn't smoking quite right.   Many times it is pilot error, but there are a few instances when draft-to-chamber-issues occur, which offset any packing/tamping routines. Routines and pipes are good, but require flexibility.  Too loose packing can get the temps up pretty darned good, and when tamped too much, it seals in the heat and it's a miserable smoke. It's a balance.   Pipes are like women and even cars--all require a certain touch with the clutch, in other words.  One is never like the other, even more so if you're all over the map collecting (or adopting Laughing) like I am.  Smile

A Savinelli pipe is wonderful for all the reasons PD suggested.  

Good luck in finding your personal upgrades, vmen.  Smile  Might take a few tries, and some adjustment on your part--fortunately, it's a fun process!


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PostSubject: Re: In need of some advice wanting to upgrad to a few nice pipes   Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:14 pm

I like the rusticated pipes as well as bent I tend to burn the top of the bowl a lot.
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PostSubject: Re: In need of some advice wanting to upgrad to a few nice pipes   Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:18 pm

Lighting accuracy will fix that. A lot of people "press" a flame onto the pipe when they first light it, I notice...the flame then goes to the path of least resistance, which it seems, is around the edges between the tobacco and edge of the pipe bowl--resulting in darkened/charred rims. I tend to hover the flame above the pipe maybe by half an inch or so, and let the action of the draw/puff bring the flame to the tobacco. It is also a good indicator if your pipe is packed too tight. Then there's a lot more heat and flame hovering around where it ought not to be. That heat has to go somewhere and...presto--hot pipe.

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PostSubject: Re: In need of some advice wanting to upgrad to a few nice pipes   Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:19 pm

That will happen if you pack them so high that lighting the tobacco lets it crown up and scorch the tops.

But why do that ?

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PostSubject: Re: In need of some advice wanting to upgrad to a few nice pipes   Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:23 pm

Pick out pipes that look like you'd like to show them off and that you think you enjoy hanging off your face.  

Select several and then look at the description.  Click on the pictures and look at their grain.  

Frankly, I saw several in the lower range I wouldn't mind owning.  

If you are unsure still, bring the links back here and ask for an opinion.  Best choices are those without flaw or toothmarks. But, if you really like one, a small flaw is OK.

Typically, you want to smoke a pipe not more than once a day.  Not quite as true for a Meerchaum.  So, more on the inexpensive side is good but those Savs are choice in the medium price range.

A lot of the ones up right now are from a guy that worked in a pipe shop. That's a plus.
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PostSubject: Re: In need of some advice wanting to upgrad to a few nice pipes   Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:48 pm

vmen84 wrote:
which do you feel would be the best one for a new comer?

I just LOVE Savinelli pipes!!!! I've got about 16 of them so far and ALL of them are EXCELLENT smokers. So asking me, won't be fair!!!!

Difficult for me to say which pipes you should buy. I like medium size pipes, bents are my favourites and I adore bulldogs (I have 11 so far and will make it a dozen shortly)

Go through Nathan's catalogue and pick two nice pipes for yourself. You can easily buy two QUALITY pipes for US $150.00 from there. Need not be Sav's at all.

I'm not related to Nathan, neither does he pay me to advertise for him. I've dealt with him 6 times already and I can highly recommend him to all my brothers. And what's more, because you are a member of BoB, he will allow you a 10% discount on everything you buy from him. That normally pays for my shipping.
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PostSubject: Re: In need of some advice wanting to upgrad to a few nice pipes   Sat Aug 03, 2013 4:07 pm

I'll have ta do that soon for now Im about to go smoke some chicken on my uds smoker.
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