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PostSubject: Dunhill Pipe Price Increase   Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:10 am

I see Dunhill pipe prices have increased about 20% in the last month or so. I can't remember the last time I saw inflation like that without a reason behind it. I also wonder if that has implications for other brands and/or tobacco prices. Any thoughts?
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PostSubject: Re: Dunhill Pipe Price Increase   Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:44 am

Everything has been going up. About a year ago you could still find Peterson Aran line pipes for 67.20 on Cup o Joes. Now the minimum I've seen is 87 and most places are charging around 100. Savinelli is also increasing their prices.
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PostSubject: Re: Dunhill Pipe Price Increase   Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:19 pm

Demand, demand, demand.  

This little niche hobby is on the rise.   What, did everyone expect popularity and availability to be coupled with great deals*?

Come on, now.  

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* they're out there, just not where or from whom you'd expect.
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PostSubject: Re: Dunhill Pipe Price Increase   Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:41 pm

Well there goes all the pipes I wanted to buy next year Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad  Like the little girl on the TV add says : "... EVERYTHING should cost $.05 !" Twisted Evil Twisted Evil 
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PostSubject: Dunhill Pipe Price Increase   Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:41 pm

If I'm gonna spend the money...I'll spend it on a BoB artist/craftsman.
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PostSubject: Re: Dunhill Pipe Price Increase   Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:28 pm

Now I'm really glad that I've bought a couple of pipes over the past 3 months. I only need one more Savinelli Punto Oro to reach a dozen Savinellis of which 6 will be Punto Oro. cheers 

I'm in dire need of some tobacco though. Only decent tobacco freely available here is Peterson's. I love most of it's blends but I'm craving some good VA's and Vapers. Will have to visit McCranies soon.
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PostSubject: Re: Dunhill Pipe Price Increase   Sat Sep 21, 2013 4:17 pm

pepesdad1 wrote:
If I'm gonna spend the money...I'll spend it on a BoB artist/craftsman.
Hear-hear. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Dunhill Pipe Price Increase   Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:10 pm

I have 70+ in my pipe hoard, incuding a few that haven't been smoked, yet. I've taken to maintaining an active rotation of about a dozen with the rest put away, mostly in original boxes. Every three months or so, I take a few out of the active rotation and bring up a few from the "resting" group. So to me it's like getting "almost fresh" pipes to get reacquainted with several times annually.

I started doing this, because I'd bought a few estate pipes and it kind of dawned on me that I already had the same brands and shapes on hand bought and paid for, some forty years old and in great condition but for a few tooth marks. It got to the point where I had to ask, "Why duplicate what's already on the shelf?"

Tobacco is another tale. I have in the hoard plastic wrapped tin logs of Dunhill blends that are more than ten years old. I see that individual tins of this old stuff are fetching $50. I still have the reciepts for most of mine.  6 tins x $50 = $300.  Makes me think, for sure, but so far I'm choosing to smoke 'em.  Sometimes I think I'm losing my marbles:-)
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PostSubject: Re: Dunhill Pipe Price Increase   Sat Sep 21, 2013 10:59 pm

Has it occurred to yunz yet that the phenomenon isn't that prices are going up, but that the purchasing power of the currency is collapsing so that it takes more and more of it over time to buy the same thing ?

I remember a model house -- brick with a foundation -- built beside the highway when I was a teenager. The sign out front of it said

THIS HOUSE ON YOUR LOT FOR $9,999.00

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PostSubject: Re: Dunhill Pipe Price Increase   Sun Sep 22, 2013 12:53 am

Yak wrote:
Has it occurred to yunz yet that the phenomenon isn't that prices are going up, but that the purchasing power of the currency is collapsing so that it takes more and more of it over time to buy the same thing ?
Aye. The currency is being debased, by design. How else could governments run deficits every year, then monetize it? I like to use this site for comparisons:  http://www.westegg.com/inflation/
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PostSubject: Re: Dunhill Pipe Price Increase   Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:26 am

Sometimes these conversations turn into a fly buzzing around the room, and someone getting the bright idea that throwing countless hammers at it will git that sucker.

Cycles in this place are 28 days in nature, sans the cotton pony. 5) Laughing

Here we go.
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PostSubject: Re: Dunhill Pipe Price Increase   Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:43 am

What an apt description, Kylester! I do what I can.
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PostSubject: Re: Dunhill Pipe Price Increase   Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:39 pm

Michael Snyder : Quantitative Easing Worked For The Weimar Republic For A Little While Too

September 23, 2013        

Today, the Federal Reserve finds itself faced with a scenario that is very similar to what the Weimar Republic was facing nearly 100 years ago.  Like the Weimar Republic, the U.S. economy is also struggling and like the Weimar Republic, the U.S. government is absolutely drowning in debt.  Unfortunately, the Federal Reserve has decided to adopt the same solution that the Weimar Republic chose.  The Federal Reserve is recklessly printing money out of thin air, and in the short-term some positive things have come out of it.  But quantitative easing worked for the Weimar Republic for a little while too.  At first, more money caused economic activity to increase and unemployment was low.  But all of that money printing destroyed faith in German currency and in the German financial system and ultimately Germany experienced an economic meltdown that the world is still talking about today.  This is the path that the Federal Reserve is taking America down, but most Americans have absolutely no idea what is happening.

It is really easy to start printing money, but it is incredibly hard to stop.  Like any addict, the Fed is promising that they can quit at any time, but this month they refused to even start tapering their money printing a little bit.  The behavior of the Fed is so shameful that even CNBC is comparing it to a drug addict at this point…

The danger with addictions is they tend to become increasingly compulsive. That might be one moral of this week’s events.

A few days ago, expectations were sky-high that the Federal Reserve was about to reduce its current $85 billion monthly bond purchases. But then the Fed blinked, partly because it is worried that markets have already over-reacted to the mere thought of a policy shift.

Faced with a choice of curbing the addiction or providing more hits of the QE drug, in other words, it chose the latter.


So why won’t the Fed cut back on the reckless money printing?

Well, as Peter Schiff recently noted, Fed officials seem to be convinced that any “tapering” could result in the bursting of the massive financial bubbles that they have created…

The Fed understands, as the market seems not to, that the current “recovery” could not survive without continuation of massive monetary stimulus. Mainstream economists have mistaken the symptoms of the Fed’s monetary expansion, most notably rising stock and real estate prices, as signs of real and sustainable growth. But the current asset price bubbles have nothing to do with the real economy. To the contrary, they are setting up for a painful correction that will likely be worse than the one we experienced five years ago.

As I have written about previously, the Federal Reserve is usually very careful not to do anything which will hurt the short-term interests of the financial markets and the big banks.

But at this point the Fed is caught in a trap.  If it continues to pump, the financial bubbles that it has created will get even worse.  If it stops, those bubbles will burst.  But as Doug Kass noted recently, it is inevitable that these financial bubbles will burst at some point one way or another…

“Getting in was easy. Getting out—not so much. The Fed is trapped and can’t end tapering or else the bond and stock markets will blow up. The longer this continues the bigger the inevitable burst.”

In essence, we can have disaster now or disaster later.

But most Americans don’t care much about what is happening on Wall Street.  They just want economic conditions to get better for them and for those around them.  And to this day, the mainstream media continues to sell quantitative easing to the American people as an “economic stimulus” program by the Federal Reserve.

So has quantitative easing actually been good for the U.S. economy?

Not really.

For example, while the Fed has been recklessly printing money out of thin air, household incomes have actually been going down for five years in a row.



What about employment?

Don’t more Americans have jobs now?

Actually, that is not the case at all.  Posted below is a chart that shows how the percentage of working age Americans with a job has changed since the year 2000.  As you can see, the employment to population ratio fell from about 63 percent before the last recession down to underneath 59 percent at the end of 2009 and it has stayed there ever since



So where is the “employment recovery”?

Can you point it out to me?  Because I have been staring at this chart for a long time and I still can’t find it.

So if quantitative easing has not been good for average Americans, who has it been good for?

The wealthy, of course.

Just check out what billionaire hedge fund manager Stanley Druckenmiller told CNBC about quantitative easing the other day…

“This is fantastic for every rich person,” he said Thursday, a day after the Fed’s stunning decision to delay tightening its monetary policy. “This is the biggest redistribution of wealth from the middle class and the poor to the rich ever.”

“Who owns assets—the rich, the billionaires. You think Warren Buffett hates this stuff? You think I hate this stuff? I had a very good day yesterday.”

Druckenmiller, whose net worth is estimated at more than $2 billion, said that the implication of the Fed’s policy is that the rich will spend their wealth and create jobs—essentially betting on “trickle-down economics.”

“I mean, maybe this trickle-down monetary policy that gives money to billionaires and hopefully we go spend it is going to work,” he said. “But it hasn’t worked for five years.”


Sadly, Druckenmiller is exactly correct.

Since the end of the last recession, the Dow has been on an unprecedented tear

Of course these stock prices have nothing to do with economic reality at this point, but for the moment those that are making giant piles of cash on Wall Street don’t really care.

Sadly, what very few people seem to understand is that what the Fed is doing is going to absolutely destroy confidence in our currency and in our financial system in the long-term.  Yeah, many investors have been raking in huge gobs of cash right now, but in the long run this is going to be bad for everybody.

We have now entered a money printing spiral from which there is no easy exit.  According to Graham Summers, the Fed has “crossed the Rubicon” and we are now “in the End Game”…

If tapering even $10-15 billion per month from $85 billion month QE programs would damage the economy, then we’re all up you know what creek without a paddle.

Put it this way… here we are, five years after 2008, and the Fed is stating point blank that the economy would absolutely collapse if it spent any less than $85 billion per month. This admission has proven just how long ago we crossed the Rubicon. We’re already in the End Game. Period.


Most Americans don’t really understand what quantitative easing is, and most don’t really try to understand it because “quantitative easing” sounds very complicated.

But it really isn’t that complicated.

The Federal Reserve is creating gigantic mountains of money out of thin air every month, and the Fed is using all of that newly created money to buy government debt and mortgage-backed securities.  Over the past several years, the value of the financial securities that the Fed has accumulated is greater than the total amount of publicly held debt that the U.S. government accumulated from the presidency of George Washington though the end of the presidency of Bill Clinton.

The same day that the Federal Reserve’s Federal Open Market Committee announced last week that the Fed would continue to buy $40 billion in mortgage-backed securities (MBS) and $45 billion in U.S. Treasury securities per month, the Fed also released its latest weekly accounting sheet indicating that it had already accumulated more Treasuries and MBS than the total value of the publicly held U.S. government debt amassed by all U.S. presidents from George Washington though Bill Clinton.

To say that this is a desperate move by the Fed would be a massive understatement.  We have never seen anything like this before in U.S. history.

And look at what all of this wild money printing has done to our money supply



In many ways, the chart above is reminiscent of what the Weimar Republic did during the early years of their hyperinflationary spiral

Just like the Weimar Republic, our money supply is beginning to grow at an exponential pace.

So far, complete and total disaster has not struck, so most people think that everything must be okay.

But it is not.

In a previous article, I included an outstanding illustration from Simon Black that I think would be extremely helpful here as well…

Let’s say you’re at a party in a small apartment that’s about 500 square feet in size. Then suddenly, at 11pm, a pipe bursts, starting a trickle into the living room.

Aside from the petty annoyance, would you feel like you were in danger? Probably not. This is a linear problem– the rate at which the water is leaking is more or less constant, so the guests can keep partying through the night without worry.

But let’s assume that it’s an exponential leak.

At first, there’s just one drop of water. But each minute, the rate doubles. So by 11:01pm, there’s 2 drops. By 11:02, 4 drops. And so forth.

By 11:27pm, there’s only six inches of standing water. Yet by 11:31pm, just four minutes later, the entire room is under nearly 8 feet of water. And the party’s over.

For nearly half an hour, it all seemed safe and manageable. People had all the time in the world to leave, right up until the bitter end. 11:27, 11:28, 11:29. Then it all went from benign to deadly in a matter of minutes.


Are you starting to get the picture?

What the Federal Reserve is doing is systematically destroying the U.S. dollar, and the rest of the world is starting to take notice.

Why should they continue to lend us trillions of dollars at super low interest rates when we are exploding the size of our money supply?

It is simply not rational for other nations to continue to lend us money at less than 3 percent a year when the real rate of inflation is somewhere around 8 to 10 percent and reckless money printing by the Fed threatens to greatly accelerate the devaluation of our currency.

When QE first started, the added demand for U.S. government debt by the Federal Reserve helped drive long-term interest rates down to record low levels.

But in the long-term, the only rational response by all other buyers of U.S. government debt will be to demand a much higher rate of return because of the rapid devaluation of U.S. currency.

So QE drives down long-term interest rates in the short-term, but in the long-term the only rational direction for long-term interest rates to go is much, much higher and in recent months we have already started to see this.

The only way that the Fed can stop this is by increasing the amount of quantitative easing.

Right now, the Fed is buying roughly half a trillion dollars worth of U.S. Treasuries a year, but the U.S. government issues close to a trillion dollars of new debt and must roll over about 3 trillion dollars of existing debt each year.

If the Federal Reserve eventually decides to buy all of the debt, then interest rates won’t be a major problem.  But if the Fed goes that far our financial system would be regarded as a total joke by the remainder of the globe and we would reach hyperinflation much more rapidly.

If the Federal Reserve stops buying debt completely, the financial bubbles that they have created will burst and we will rapidly be facing a financial crisis even worse than what we experienced back in 2008.

But almost whatever the Fed does at this point, the rest of the world will probably continue to start to move away from the U.S. dollar as the de facto reserve currency of the planet.  This move is just beginning, but it is going to have major implications for us in the years ahead.  This is a topic that I will be addressing extensively in future articles.

Most of the debate about quantitative easing has focused on the impact that it will have on the U.S. economy in the short-term.

That is a huge mistake.

Of much greatest importance is what quantitative easing means for the long-term.

The rest of the world is losing confidence in the U.S. dollar and in U.S. debt because of the reckless money printing that the Fed has been doing.

But we desperately need the rest of the world to use “the petrodollar” and to lend us the money that we need to pay our bills.

As the rest of the planet starts to reject the U.S. dollar and starts to demand a much higher rate of return to lend us money, the U.S. economy is going to experience a tremendous amount of pain.

It is hard to put into words how foolish the Federal Reserve has been.  The Fed is systematically destroying what was once the strongest financial system in the world, and in the end we are all going to pay the price.


http://www.blacklistednews.com/Quantitative_Easing_Worked_For_The_Weimar_Republic_For_A_Little_While_Too/29066/0/38/38/Y/M.html


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PostSubject: Dunhill Pipe Price Increase   Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:51 pm

UH...OH!
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PostSubject: Re: Dunhill Pipe Price Increase   Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:56 pm

Any wonder now why the prices of new Dunhills, Castellos & the like are going up and up and up ?

Our currency is worth less and less and less.

So it takes more and more and more of it to buy anything in limited supply.

This month there will be a large tobacco order in Yaksylvania  Twisted Evil 

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PostSubject: Re: Dunhill Pipe Price Increase   Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:09 pm

It's like I'm psychic or something.    Eat your heart out, Warwick.   (Dionne, not the earl.)

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PostSubject: Re: Dunhill Pipe Price Increase   Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:11 pm

This is the United Corporation of America so what else would you expect? Has been ever since the Austrian paper hanger and nearsighted Emperor brought us out of the LAST Depression Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil 
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PostSubject: Dunhill Pipe Price Increase   Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:40 pm

Stock up, stock up, stock up! 

Only way to go,

never will be cheaper....and that's a fact!
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PostSubject: Re: Dunhill Pipe Price Increase   Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:29 pm

I would suggest that the thinking piper should do two things:

Stock up on the necessaries for your passion. I've added to my tobacco hoard, paticularly by putting by cheap but tasty bulk smokables such as P.S. long cut Va and flakes, and Newminster Va's and flakes. These tabaks can be enjoyably smoked by themselves and can be added to more expensive offerings to stretch them.

And use the available "cheap money" to buy financial independence -- pay off all household credit debt and set a goal of zero debt at the end of each month asap. This is the opposite of leveraging cheap money, which is often recommended but which, as previous posters have and recent history have demonstrated, is the working man's easy road to financial ruin. The road is owned by big banks working with the Fed.

Debt is bad, discretionary income that hasn't been spent before it has been received is good.  If you can't pay for it, it's probably because you can't afford it.

Buy a Dunhill or two if you must. But pay for them:-)
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PostSubject: Re: Dunhill Pipe Price Increase   Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:52 am

Kyle Weiss wrote:
It's like I'm psychic or something.    Eat your heart out, Warwick.   (Dionne, not the earl.)

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lol! lol! lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Dunhill Pipe Price Increase   Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:52 pm

Everything has a hedge. Mine in the pipe market are cobs, no-namers and fixer-uppers. They see intrinsic and gained VOT much more so that direct depreciation/appreciation.

Got my own Three Card Monte game, and I get the bean under the shell every time (because I install 66% more beans). Laughing The game is rigged! tongue

Sorry, Alfred D. You make swell stuff, the envies of briar-lovin' men, but I'm comfy over here. I promise.

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PostSubject: Dunhill Pipe Price Increase   Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:59 pm

Kyle Weiss wrote:
Everything has a hedge.  Mine in the pipe market are cobs, no-namers and fixer-uppers.  They see intrinsic and gained VOT much more so that direct depreciation/appreciation.    

Got my own Three Card Monte game, and I get the bean under the shell every time (because I install 66% more beans).   Laughing The game is rigged!  tongue

Sorry, Alfred D.   You make swell stuff, the envies of briar-lovin' men, but I'm comfy over here.  I promise.  

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Kyle said it!  Cobs are the best.....great smoke every time!
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PostSubject: Re: Dunhill Pipe Price Increase   Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:07 pm

One of my pipes I took some paint and put a white dot on top of the OEM stem. Might take the burner and write "Dunhil" or something slightly askew on the shank. Laughing I do it for the $5K club at my local B&M. Still haven't wrapped any of the cobs in gold foil. Need to work on that. tongue
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PostSubject: Re: Dunhill Pipe Price Increase   Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:00 pm

Certain brands see themselves as the pinnacle of their ilk and demand that they command the highest pricing in their categories. Half a dozen years ago you could buy a Rolex Submariner for roughly $4500. Now they are about twice that. There have been a few improvements made, but not enough to justify doubling the price. What happened was brands like Omega improved their watches a bit and priced them where Rolex was, so Rolex had to counter to maintain their place at the top. They countered with percieved market position based on cost, not on quality. In actuality there is very little difference in quality between Omega and Rolex, but the watch collecting world had little issue with Rolex maintaining their position. Dunhill can't have lesser (in their eyes) brands being priced right alongside them.

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PostSubject: Re: Dunhill Pipe Price Increase   Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:28 pm

Puff Daddy wrote:
Certain brands see themselves as the pinnacle of their ilk and demand that they command the highest pricing in their categories. Half a dozen years ago you could buy a Rolex Submariner for roughly $4500. Now they are about twice that. There have been a few improvements made, but not enough to justify doubling the price. What happened was brands like Omega improved their watches a bit and priced them where Rolex was, so Rolex had to counter to maintain their place at the top. They countered with percieved market position based on cost, not on quality. In actuality there is very little difference in quality between Omega and Rolex, but the watch collecting world had little issue with Rolex maintaining their position. Dunhill can't have lesser (in their eyes) brands being priced right alongside them.
EXCELLENT POINT P-D. As many older smokers can remember, Charatan and Dunhill were the two "top" makers of high-end manufactured pipes with Charatan striking out with freehand designs and they were the first brand to break the $100.0 retail price point for a pipe back in the early '60s. Dunhill followed suit, but BOTH had pipes priced in the below $100.00 range into the mid '70s. After Dunhill "killed" Charatan after they bought them, it was an open field for them to establish THHEIR idea of product placement with no real competitor left. Since the pipe and tobacco end of the corporate Dunhill efforts, (I believe they are part of the Richmont Luxury goods conglomerate now days) pricing and the attendant sales effects are not really part of the corporate mandate except as where it continues to place the "brand" in the luxury goods market. They are NO LONGER producing pipes for all smokers, merely product for the Luxury "image" segment that smokes a pipe. And this market has seemingly ALWAYS bought into the concept that more cost equates to a "better" product. So it's no wonder they continue to increase prices. But, considering how long they have produced pipes and the number produced over this time, why bother with new when there are so many available on the "estate" market at far more reasonable $s. ( I know,"... EVERYTHING should cost  $.05 ! Twisted Evil )
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