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i.keenum

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PostSubject: Living sitiuation issues.   Sat Nov 09, 2013 3:38 pm

I live in an a apartment and its in a great location, have several good friends who live here and the price is right, but management sucks hard here. When I first moved in they informed me that they would be doing renovations to the first floor apartments, I am on the second. It turns out there was hazardous chinese drywall in they first floor apartments and they knew and did not tell but rented to me any way. They have been gutting the bottom floors to the studs. Taking out everything but the brick walls and framing.

They guys removing it threw it in open air dumpsters in our parking lots but they wore full body tyvec suits to handle it. So have this dust everywhere for the tenants to breath but the contractors had big dusts masks.

I asked them to test my appartment for contaminated dry wall and they agreed. A few weeks later I asked for the results and they stated their key didn't work on my appartment so they didn't test, they decided just not to tell me. They then gave me the results for my neighbors appartment stating that all the upstairs apartments where unaffected and I had nothing to worry about. I don't trust these guys as far as I can throw them.

At first the management was ok they kept up the place and kept the grounds clean. Now they are kind of just like "F it". It took them three months to spray for bugs in the appartment even though it is written in my contract that they spray upon request. They didn't do it till I didn't pay 150 dollars on my rent and told them it was for services not rendered.

So they taped a letter on my door telling me to pay up the 150 in three days or they would issue an eviction notice.

Upon that they also removed the laundry room on site and told us to pretty much deal with it, they would have the laundry room renovated in three months and to do laundry else where. Didn't offer any reimbursement , I spoke with the lady here on the weekend to see about getting a break in rent or some other option to work it out but she stated she wasn't allowed make any decisions.


This isn't about the money, I have the money to pay rent no problem, I just want a safe and clean living environment that has all the facilities that I payed for. They have a class action suit against them for the drywall but it mostly pertains to the people on the first floor who had chinese drywall (according to them the second floors didn't sustain any damage during hurricane katrina, ya right.) I'm don't know what to do here , they don't keep management available on weekends and I work a standard work week. The people they keep in office on the weekends tell you the can't make any decision and you have to talk to one of the managers who are only available 8 - 5 , mon - fri. I have number two on the way and don't want to deal with this crap

What should would you guys do here? Sue, get the hell out of dodge, or deal with it?

Sorry for the bitchin'
Thanks for listenin',
Ian
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PostSubject: Re: Living sitiuation issues.   Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:22 pm

Sorry to hear about your troubles, Ian.

Simple solution, pick up the family and move to Texas! Cheap rent and standard of living, plentiful jobs, plus you can come chill with me and the gang. Wink 
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PostSubject: Re: Living sitiuation issues.   Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:40 pm

How close are you to johnson space center? I work at stennis space center, could look around.
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PostSubject: Re: Living sitiuation issues.   Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:59 pm

I think the answer is simple. You don't trust them now why would you think you would trust them in the future. I'd take a lot of pictures of what is going on and then get the hell out of there. If the management is bad now, I can tell you that that will never become a better situation unless it is sold to new management company.
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PostSubject: Re: Living sitiuation issues.   Sat Nov 09, 2013 5:25 pm

i.keenum wrote:
How close are you to johnson space center? I work at stennis space center, could look around.
Ha! Far, far, far away! The Johnson Space Center is in Houston. It's a 12 hour drive from here!

A Lot of people forget how big Texas is!
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PostSubject: Re: Living sitiuation issues.   Sat Nov 09, 2013 6:29 pm

If it were me I'm sure my impulse would be to duke it out. But they aren't worth your peace of mind. You'll be irritated/pissed during the whole time you contend with them. Get the hell out of dodge and try to forget the whole thing. Nothing is worth disturbing your peace of mind unless physical violence is imminent. They aren't worth it.
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PostSubject: Re: Living sitiuation issues.   Sat Nov 09, 2013 6:56 pm

Sounds like you've fallen in the "investment" class of a complex. Minimal investment of time and resources on property to maximize investment return. The "we will accomidate your needs" approach by a mgmt. firm id usually the first sign of this condition. It's not gonna get better if you stay "...and try and work with 'em" so I'd look for other digs. Sadly this is becoming more the "norm" in the apt. world even down here in Texas. It's all about the ROI for these guys. At todays money you could probably buy or rent a house as cheaply as renting in a complex. It's a sad but cut-throat world, the 21st century has become. Twisted Evil 
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PostSubject: Re: Living sitiuation issues.   Sat Nov 09, 2013 11:14 pm

For the safety of your family and your peace of mind you have only one option and that is to move out and to move out quickly. The owners of the property are only interested in an immediate return on their investment. They will probably sell out or file for bankruptcy within a year.

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PostSubject: Re: Living sitiuation issues.   Sun Nov 10, 2013 8:57 am

I would trust them either, specially with a small child and one on the way. While planning to leave I'd try to get an investigation going by the authorities into the drywall thing and anything else there doing below board. Sounds like the typical scum bag management to me sir.
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PostSubject: Re: Living sitiuation issues.   Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:49 am

Unless you have documentation and receipts to present as evidence you're probably screwed. You cannot withhold rent unless you've given written notice to an issue, the landlord failed to adress it, and you spent the money out of pocket to remedy the issue. You cannot just say "You didn't spray for bugs so I'm withholding $150 from the rent". Now, if you made a written request for the bug issue and had a reciept for service from a pest control company, you could withhold that amount.

If you feel the landlord has violated safety standards there are governmental agencies you can contact that will visit the site, review the issue and practices, and even intervene on your behalf. I'd start with your local zoning and ordinance office, a tenant landlord mediation service, and even OSHA regarding the hazardous waste handling. If you can get documentation for violations and make the argument that the landlord is penalizing you with threats of eviction for not remaining silent on unlivable conditions and safety violations, then they are screwed big time. But, it will be a fight and may not prove worth it to you. The flip side of that, obviously, is that they get away with it.

If you decide it's best to just move, you may want to contact all of those agencies anyhow, don't tell them you're moving, and let the paper trail get started. That way, when the landlord tries to sue you for damages and back rent, etc, you have something to stand on. Also, if you get the local agencies on their back they may just be happy with you leaving without paying anything more in the hope that you don't pursue legal action (if they realize they are in the wrong).

Whatever you do, educate yourself on the laws of your region and cover your ass.

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PostSubject: Re: Living sitiuation issues.   Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:41 am

Both pest control and laundry are written in to my contract, seems like the laws make it easy for the renters to get away with screwing tenants. I don't have time or opportunity to take them to court. Guess it's time to get looking for new digs . I know a few people who settled out of court and got all their rent paid back. I'm going to push them to give me the name of civil suit lawyer , don't have the money now but it would take bout a month to save up for the new deposits and stuff, boy I hate moving. The have some duplex's down the road that are about a hundred more a month but seem much better maintained.
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PostSubject: Re: Living sitiuation issues.   Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:55 am

Sometimes putting a bug in the right ear can get things done without taking anyone to court and will make things rough on them after you leave. I wish you the best of luck sir.
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PostSubject: Re: Living sitiuation issues.   Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:02 pm

It was briefly mentioned in the local news they ran the story. I've just never asked about the civil suit and figured things would be alright seems I'll have ask about it get the F out and see if anything comes from it.
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PostSubject: Re: Living sitiuation issues.   Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:32 pm

There are probably free assistance programs out there if you look for them. California has the dept of fair housing, and even local law schools that offer free assistance to low income people who can show need (like an agressive and unfair eviction). If you look, you'll probably find something similar in your region. You'd be amazed at what a phone call or letter from an attorney, legal assistance program or government agency will do to stop an agressive landlord in their tracks.

My whole point about the receipts for bug service is that you understand your rights and responsibilities. Your contract may have language that states exterminator service will be provided, but if it doesn't stipulate penalties for not providing the service, you have to follow the laws of your area. If you can't afford to go to court now, you won't be able to afford it in 3 months when they sue you for everything under the sun. The simple act of not paying all your rent owed without just cause is grounds for eviction and suing you in small claims court for a whole lot of money. The judge won't care a lick why you thought you had good reason, you have only the language of the contract and the language of the law. If you owe them money, pay it. If you think the living conditions merit a non payment of rent, better get your ducks in a row properly via the resources I mentioned earlier. If you don't, it's not going to be a matter of if they sue you and win, it'll be a matter of when.

Maybe you should talk to your folks for some advice?

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PostSubject: Re: Living sitiuation issues.   Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:26 pm

Ian, the laws actually favor the tenant, you just have to know what the laws are and how to play by them. They are different in each state. Ultimately I would get out of there. If laundry and bug spraying are actually in your lease then you do have the ability to charge them for those issues, you just need to learn the proper ways to do so. I have rented for most of my life, and I would concur with most people here, they are not going to get better, probably going to get worse

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PostSubject: Re: Living sitiuation issues.   Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:35 pm

Ya I'm going to talk to management tomorrow. Money isn't a big issue more principle than anything. Probably pay up tomorrow and if no  way is made im out.


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PostSubject: Re: Living sitiuation issues.   Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:44 pm

Sadly it's a lot like Vegas, the odds are in the Houses favor as far as legal action. Unless you have an unlimited amt of funds available, just cut your loses as they say and get on down the road with new digs or stay there and just live with it. Sometimes life just sucks. Twisted Evil 
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PostSubject: Re: Living sitiuation issues.   Sun Nov 10, 2013 2:03 pm

Ocelot55 wrote:
i.keenum wrote:
How close are you to johnson space center? I work at stennis space center, could look around.
Ha! Far, far, far away! The Johnson Space Center is in Houston. It's a 12 hour drive from here!

A Lot of people forget how big Texas is!
Sounds like a good opportunity to enjoy your pipes during the commute:lol!: 
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PostSubject: Re: Living sitiuation issues.   Sun Nov 10, 2013 2:44 pm

monbla256 wrote:
Sometimes life just sucks. Twisted Evil 
No truer words have ever been written. Evil or Very Mad 

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PostSubject: Re: Living sitiuation issues.   Tue Nov 12, 2013 4:03 pm

Sorry to hear it Ian, I agree with everyone else and I hope that you can get out and into some place nicer for your family's sake.
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PostSubject: Re: Living sitiuation issues.   Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:58 pm

It sounds like "management" may have already broken your lease. But you must be prepared to prove this.

Remember this word -- D O U M E N T A T I O N. This includes records, photographs and videos (cell phones can be very helpful gadgets), receipts, notes on conversations, news clips . . . All neatly organized. You cannot go into court with nothing but a sad story to tell.

It sounds like you need a place to call your very own. Who knows, you and a lawyer could possibly turn this, ah, "opportunity," into a settlement large enough to be a down payment on more suitable housing:-)
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PostSubject: Re: Living sitiuation issues.   Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:26 pm

Spoke with them Monday and they pretty much told me pay up. Gave them a chance work things out. Explained my issues with the situation, she told me she understood and she asked the owners who stated she was not allowed give me any break in rent. I paid up and she stated that they gave documentation to everyone that they where free to leave when they chose because of the drywall. This documentation did not happen. I requested her to get me the information about the civil suit against them, and let her know I was looking for a new place. Good thing there was no deposit to move in. That probably should of clued me in when I moved in.

Trying to decide if should move before or after Christmas.
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PostSubject: Re: Living sitiuation issues.   Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:36 pm

Good luck. Here's a funny true story for you. The town my bro-in-law lives in had to close a small bridge for repairs for the summer/fall. Problem is, the bridge repair required closing a popular route to his roadside produce stand. He had to go to a meeting with a town official to find a way to lessen the hit to his business. He wanted me to go with him and just stay in sight, not say anything, just scowl now and then. He had specific instructions re: what I was supposed to wear -- including a Red Sox cap -- and my general deportment. After the confab, he said I was a ringer for a local lawyer whose tv ads feature the barrister in a Boston baseball cap. I wasn't allowed to talk, because I don't have the lawyer's Maine accent. But I was enough to make the town official a little more sympathetic to helping a local taxpayer, I guess. Pretty clever these ol' fahmuhs.
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PostSubject: Re: Living sitiuation issues.   Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:49 pm

Called district manager and asked about the information about the civil suit . She told me to use Google. Evil or Very Mad 
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PostSubject: Re: Living sitiuation issues.   Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:19 pm

Did you think they were going to help you sue them? Laughing 

Again, find a tenant help service of some kind.

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