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Dramatwist

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PostSubject: Hey, Fellows...   Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:22 pm

No offence if you choose to spend big $$... your choice, your pipes.

I'm just speaking from the point-of-view from the average "little guy", who's thankful to be able to afford this hobby at all.

Expensive pipes are beautiful, and represent the very best of the art of pipe-making.

I just can't afford it... neither can most "guy on the street" pipe smokers.

Us little fellows are just trying to get along with what we can.

Best Regards to Expensive Pipe smokers... but especially to the regular Joes!

Martin
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PostSubject: Re: Hey, Fellows...   Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:47 pm

I won't spend a fortune on a pipe; I'm too clumsy.   Wink 
I do have a bunch of em between 2 and 4 hundred, though.
I like pretty pipes.   cheers


Don't gimme that "can't afford em" crap.
Priorities, man; priorities.   lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Hey, Fellows...   Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:51 pm

"Don't gimme that "can't afford em" crap."

Really, laughing out loud!

Best,
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PostSubject: Re: Hey, Fellows...   Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:54 pm

DramaTwist, I don't think you've offended anyone!

As Hermit says, its all about priorities. If my wife and I had kids or a mortgage there is no way I'd be spending money on pipes! After all, it's a luxury.

Hermit, so what is it? Two or four hundred? There is a big difference!  lol! 
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PostSubject: Re: Hey, Fellows...   Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:00 pm

Ocelot55 wrote:
DramaTwist, I don't think you've offended anyone!

As Hermit says, its all about priorities. If my wife and I had kids or a mortgage there is no way I'd be spending money on pipes! After all, it's a luxury.

Hermit, so what is it? Two or four hundred? There is a big difference!  lol! 

Well, fer instance, this one was $430.  
I couldn't pull the trigger fast enough.  Twisted Evil 
I was powerless to resist.
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PostSubject: Re: Hey, Fellows...   Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:06 pm

You guys are killing me...
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PostSubject: Re: Hey, Fellows...   Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:08 pm

Dramatwist wrote:
You guys are killing me...

Resistance if futile.
Hang around awhile; you will be assimilated.  Wink 
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PostSubject: Re: Hey, Fellows...   Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:12 pm

I'm one poor SOB being on SS but, I'm lucky enough that my living expenses are low and I'm able to afford some higher dollar pipes (under $300).
Although I like the real high dollar pipes and would love to have all my racks full of them, I really can't justify spending $400 - $1000 or more on a pipe that I'd not only be afraid to smoke but, just can't afford without a mortgage. So, you see your not the only cheap, poor bastard here. I can't even afford one of Ocelot's pipes unless he'd give me a Layaway plan. LOL!
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PostSubject: Re: Hey, Fellows...   Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:19 pm

Cartaphilus wrote:
I'm one poor SOB being on SS but, I'm lucky enough that my living expenses are low and I'm able to afford some higher dollar pipes (under $300).
Although I like the real high dollar pipes and would love to have all my racks full of them, I really can't justify spending $400 - $1000 or more on a pipe that I'd not only be afraid to smoke but, just can't afford without a mortgage. So, you see your not the only cheap, poor bastard here. I can't even afford one of Ocelot's pipes unless he'd give me a Layaway plan. LOL!

Damn nice post and damn nice opinions!

Thank the Lord we have some guys in overalls around here!

Best Regards,
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PostSubject: Re: Hey, Fellows...   Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:24 pm

Cartaphilus wrote:
I'm one poor SOB being on SS but, I'm lucky enough that my living expenses are low and I'm able to afford some higher dollar pipes (under $300).
Although I like the real high dollar pipes and would love to have all my racks full of them, I really can't justify spending $400 - $1000 or more on a pipe that I'd not only be afraid to smoke but, just can't afford without a mortgage. So, you see your not the only cheap, poor bastard here. I can't even afford one of Ocelot's pipes unless he'd give me a Layaway plan. LOL!


For me, it has to be a very special pipe to approach 400; I prolly wouldn't go any higher.
I'd be afraid to smoke a thousand dollar pipe.  I paid 357.50 for this Ser Jacopo and
dropped and dented it while smoking outside; it rolled off a cheap pipe stand.    Mad 



BTW: Mark Tinsky's pipes are a great value for somebody who wants a pretty pipe.
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PostSubject: Re: Hey, Fellows...   Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:30 pm

I own and smoke what today would be "high end" pipes but at the time I bought them, they were mid-level quality pipes. I acquired almost all of mine over 30 years ago and have only bought 5 "new" pipes over the past 3 years with 3 of them being "estates" . Except for my Altinok meer I got last year, the most I ever paid for a pipe was $65.00 so I would have a problem, head wise as well as $ wise spending what most "high ends" cost today. But for those who have the do re me and can have at it !! 'Course having acquired over 90 pipe over the past 40 years means I really have NO NEED for a "new" one  Twisted Evil 
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PostSubject: Re: Hey, Fellows...   Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:35 pm

monbla256 wrote:
I own and smoke what today would be "high end" pipes but at the time I bought them, they were mid-level quality pipes. I acquired almost all of mine over 30 years ago and have only bought 5 "new" pipes over the past 3 years with 3 of them being "estates" . Except for my Altinok meer I got last year, the most I ever paid for a pipe was $65.00 so I would have a problem, head wise as well as $ wise spending what most "high ends" cost today. But for those who have the do re me and can have at it !! 'Course having acquired over 90 pipe over the past 40 years means I really have NO NEED for a "new" one   Twisted Evil 

So, you're basically saying "Ha-ha!"?

Best Regards,

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PostSubject: Re: Hey, Fellows...   Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:37 pm

Most of my high grades were estates. If you play your cards right you can get the most crazy pipes for cheap! I've had an Eltang I paid $280 for, a $75 Dunhill, $200 Rad Davis etc. The most expensive pipe I own is a Jeff Gracik that was bought brand new for $695. HOWEVER the cash I used to buy that pipe came from pipes that I sold at the KC show. To me it was an investment. That was a great show because my sales paid for the trip and bought me some nice pipes!

And once again, cobs smoke far better than any pipe based on price/smoking quality.
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PostSubject: Re: Hey, Fellows...   Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:42 pm

Dramatwist wrote:


So, you're basically saying "Ha-ha!"?

Best Regards,


Pretty sure that's not what he said.
He was lucky enough to buy some nice pipes before inflation.   Wink 

A lot of us have an appreciation for pretty pipes, but we don't have any snobs here.
I have a lot of cheapies that smoke great.
Like this pretty Kaywoodie that was $38.

Excellent smoker!
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PostSubject: Re: Hey, Fellows...   Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:42 pm

If you can buy a good smoking pipe that's within your budget and be happy with it, you've won. It doesn't matter whether it's a $40 Kaywoodie or a $2,000 S Bang. You can buy good smokers and bad smokers at both ends of the price range and everywhere in between. Pick a price range that's comfortable for you and have fun.

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PostSubject: Re: Hey, Fellows...   Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:43 pm

'twist, it is a can of worms. Ultimately I think the problem lies not in the price, but in the effects of past altercations (real or perceived) with people putting down others for their purchases. If they paid what they paid, then so be it; it's their money. Yes, there is a "too high" pain threshold that for some is a lot higher due to many factors, but many are also perfectly happy with being one-blend, non-artisan smokers. Is it an investment or is it a tool to YOU?

If a person should come here and ask, "did I get a good deal on XYZ?" and generally they get an honest (but still ultimately subjective) answer, then I think the forum has fulfilled the more useful side of its existence. If people lord it over each that they smoke "only expensive/cheap pipes and anyone else who doesn't agree is inferior" then, well, you are just having an argument for argument's sake. The price for the work is on a sliding scale and the maker and the buyer are not always aligned, nor is the market for the ones with big names, artisan or otherwise (e.g. Bo Nordh vs. Dunhill). I think it points to a larger problem with inflation of goods in society today, but that's a discussion for a different part of the forum.  Wink 

I don't think it's right for people in their idiom to feel bad that they only buy "expensive/cheap" because others make them feel that way. It's what you can or are willing to afford vs. your level of acceptable quality. I think you'll find many here are somewhere in between. Some were lucky, some were patient; most would say they knew what they wanted when they went looking for it and the money was already earmarked for that baby. Unfortunately sometimes with the internet's distortion of things, it ends up feeling like an escalating arms race or some chest-pounding show-and-tell. Hopefully you don't get put off by those who are just trying to show off new acquisitions.

I'd been buying several "cheap" to mid-range pipes this year (quite a lot actually for someone just starting a collection). I was doing so knowing that the higher-end stuff may be worth trying eventually, but may not be the be-all-end-all. However, I finally bit the bullet recently in Sept & Oct due to forumites/pipe makers offering sales and from my limited ownership in artisan pipes so far, I know that the few I do have are superior to cobs. And I would gladly buy more, but I can't afford a stable full of them. I happen to be fortunate to afford some and will (eventually) liquidate the ones that are not being used so I can afford more. This is not to say that the "cheap" ones are bad, but that I would prefer to enjoy fewer, higher quality pipes. Am I a fat-wallet sellout or elitist here? I don't think so?  scratch I would say I've seen the reason why by projection some makers can command higher sums.

But if I knew I could never buy anything over $200 or what have you--new or used--then I'd have stuck to estates or started making my own (yet another can of worms). There is nothing ignoble in owning Kaywoodie or Falcon, especially if take great pleasure in smoking them. (I don't own any, but that's besides the point.) I think generally, if you conduct yourself with respect here, we can continue to agree to disagree. Just keep calm and puff on.
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PostSubject: Re: Hey, Fellows...   Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:03 pm

Puff Daddy wrote:
If you can buy a good smoking pipe that's within your budget and be happy with it, you've won. It doesn't matter whether it's a $40 Kaywoodie or a $2,000 S Bang. You can buy good smokers and bad smokers at both ends of the price range and everywhere in between. Pick a price range that's comfortable for you and have fun.

This for sure and that's what I did at the time I was actively buying pipes. Times and economy's change .  Twisted Evil   Twisted Evil 
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PostSubject: Re: Hey, Fellows...   Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:11 am

Puff Daddy wrote:
If you can buy a good smoking pipe that's within your budget and be happy with it, you've won. It doesn't matter whether it's a $40 Kaywoodie or a $2,000 S Bang. You can buy good smokers and bad smokers at both ends of the price range and everywhere in between. Pick a price range that's comfortable for you and have fun.

No arguing with that.

Best,
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PostSubject: Re: Hey, Fellows...   Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:17 am

mejoshee wrote:
'twist, it is a can of worms...

Indeed...

If it's in your budget, go for it. If you're more conservative (like me) do the best you can.

Best Wishes to All,
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PostSubject: Re: Hey, Fellows...   Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:49 am

Puff Daddy wrote:
If you can buy a good smoking pipe that's within your budget and be happy with it, you've won. It doesn't matter whether it's a $40 Kaywoodie or a $2,000 S Bang. You can buy good smokers and bad smokers at both ends of the price range and everywhere in between. Pick a price range that's comfortable for you and have fun.

This ^

I totaly agree PD.








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PostSubject: Re: Hey, Fellows...   Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:18 pm

I can't resist a Sebastien Beo plug here (and no, I'm not affiliated with this pipe maker...though that is a job I would probably take if it were offered).  I have three of these pipes and every one is flawless.  By flawless, I am referring to drilling, shaping, and general engineering.  Yes, they run small, but they smoke so well as to allow two bowls in a row, so problem solved.  And the grain is consistently very good.  No fills, no not one.  $80 a piece.

In my experience/opinion, what do you get for more money: better grain (sometimes), silver/gold trimmings, a length of bamboo (I admit total ignorance of the bamboo appeal; I just don't get it, but then I've also never smoked it), and everything that does not pertain to a good smoking experience.

So that's me.  I wonder sometimes why more people aren't raving about Beos.  I've spent plenty of money in $80 increments for fills, loose tenons, and poor drilling from other brands.  With my three Beos I think I've achieved pipe contentment.  (Of course, I'm also the type of person who would gladly go back to crank-operated car windows, if that says anything about my tastes.)
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PostSubject: Re: Hey, Fellows...   Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:54 pm

I ordered a Beo, and promptly returned it upon receipt for fear I'd snap it in half accidentally. It was a lovely pipe, but so diminutive as to seem more suited to a leprechaun then a man of my substantive stature.

That said; I've been thinking of experimenting with the strong rope tobaccos, and a wee Beo might be just right for that.
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