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PostSubject: "new" pipe choices   Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:29 pm

Hola Comrades

I have as of late been considering a brand new pipe acquisition, but I don't really know where to go for a purchase. I have been eyeballing some of the churchwardens from savinelli, or possibly a Nording Freehand or something similar. Any brands that you guys would make an effort to steer clear of? Any that you would look especially hard at? I have heard things to both extremes about Petersen and some others,

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PostSubject: Re: "new" pipe choices   Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:02 pm

Savinelli would probably have the widest variety both price wise and shape as well as quality level available in the production pipe market today. I have smoked and still own almost 30 of them over the past 40+ years both from their lower price ranges up to their High Grades and have NOT found any that were not good smoking pipes ! You really can't go wrong with any of their pipes IMHO Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: "new" pipe choices   Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:10 pm

monbla256 wrote:
Savinelli would probably have the widest variety both price wise and shape as well as quality level available in the production pipe market today. I have smoked and still own almost 30 of them over the past 40+ years both from their lower price ranges up to their High Grades and have NOT found any that were not good smoking pipes ! You really can't go wrong with any of their pipes IMHO Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

What about Comoy pipes these days?
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PostSubject: Re: "new" pipe choices   Sun Apr 26, 2015 2:48 pm

Brother Nick...Since you asked, I would recommend the Savinelli "Bing" over the CW. Versatile pipe, can still be "clinched" in your mouth, Handle's Flakes very well. Don't know about aro's, I don't smoke'em. Pete's are mostly fine smokers. I love their shapes; hate their QC. Far too many fills in their "higher quality" pipes. Closer to home, you might consider a Mark Tinsky. Lot of pipe for the $$$!! Just my $.02 worth cheers FTRPLT
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PostSubject: Re: "new" pipe choices   Sun Apr 26, 2015 2:54 pm

Depends on what you want to spend. Certainly there are good smoking pipes in every price range, but you need to have at least some idea of what you're looking for as far as shape, finish, etc. A good entry level pipe these days is getting harder and harder to find. Since Stanwell moved out of Denmark their quality has gotten really bad. Still, older Stanwell estates can be a good economical purchase. Savinelli is another pretty good choice, but steer clear from their high grades. Too expensive for the quality. If you have more than $200 I would recommend artisan or estate artisan pipes.
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PostSubject: Re: "new" pipe choices   Sun Apr 26, 2015 3:54 pm

In the $100 range Peterson & Savinelli are hard to beat IMO. If you want to spend more and go the artisan route, there are many good members of this forum I would suggest. I own Jones, Piersel, and Growley pipes and they are all wonderful. Although I don't have one, Tinsky pipes are great looking for the money and from what I hear are great smokers. Almost forgot Kirk from briar spirits makes a great pipe too Smile.
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PostSubject: Re: "new" pipe choices   Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:24 pm

Yes, I would also suggest looking a some of the forum members in the Towne Crier section.    There are some fine pipe makers hereabouts.    

In the larger realm, you should check out tobaccopipes.com.    They have a huge selection and good prices.
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PostSubject: Re: "new" pipe choices   Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:35 pm

Great responses above.

If your heart is set on a brand new, never before smoked factory production pipe then Savinelli is hard to beat. Plenty of styles/attractive price points and their reliability is unsurpassed in the QC dept. I have several and they're all great smokers and not expensive.

I hear lots of conflicting things about Peterson these days, and frankly haven't acquired one of their standard shapes in something going on 14 yrs...........Wait that's not entirely true......

I did get in a Kapp Royal 80S about 4 yrs ago but somehow have yet to break it in. Hmmmm.....

Still, my experience with new Pete's is pretty positive but take that with a grain of salt since most of mine were acquired around '00/'01.

Frankly if I was to consider splashing out on a well engineered and reliable smoker I'd first peruse the gifted craftsmen/women here on BoB. I have great pipes from (in no particular order) Jesse Jones, Brian G Rowley (Growley), Scottie Piersel, Rad Davis, Mark Tinsky and a few others I can't remember just now. I hasten to add I am not boasting, just my experience. One gets what they pay for.

Apart from that, a reliable estate re-furbisher like our brother in good standing Mattia at Viking Pipes is always a good choice. I have several  estates which came through his capable hands and they are all terrific values.

Best wishes on your quest. You're spoiled for choices these days I reckon!

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PostSubject: Re: "new" pipe choices   Sun Apr 26, 2015 11:03 pm

Thanks Gents,

I think I am gonna lean toward a straight or slightly bent Savinelli on this one. I did check out the Towne Crier, and there are some wonderful pieces in there, and I can appreciate them for what they are, and that is art. Ideally I would be buying a Nording Woodcock, but I think that is going to have to wait, as I cannot seem to locate one for sale at any price (which tells me something about that particular pipes quality). I am in no hurry, and will take all advice given into account.

Much appreciated gentlemen.

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PostSubject: Re: "new" pipe choices   Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:36 pm

If you don't want to spend a fortune AND make sure you buy an excellent smoker, you can't go wrong with a Savinelli.
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PostSubject: Re: "new" pipe choices   Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:58 am

I would personally steer clear of Nording's unless you can inspect it or are capable of/ willing to send it back should it not meet your approval. I have several Nording's that I quite like but I've also seen some thin walls in their freehands and really imprecise drillings. They're cranking out pipes and most are just fine but I've seen some make the market that should have been pulled.
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PostSubject: Re: "new" pipe choices   Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:15 am

If I had it to do over again, I believe I would smoke only Missouri Meerschaums for a while. Then, when I knew what the hell I wanted and had the money available, I'd have an artisan make me a pipe to my specs. Repeat whenever the urge and money coincide. That way, I'd have fewer but higher quality pipes sitting around doing nothing.
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PostSubject: Re: "new" pipe choices   Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:29 pm

Richard Burley wrote:
If I had it to do over again, I believe I would smoke only Missouri Meerschaums for a while. Then, when I knew what the hell I wanted and had the money available, I'd have an artisan make me a pipe to my specs. Repeat whenever the urge and money coincide. That way, I'd have fewer but higher quality pipes sitting around doing nothing.

There's a lot of wisdom in that!

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PostSubject: Re: "new" pipe choices   Fri May 01, 2015 2:43 am

Richard Burley wrote:
If I had it to do over again, I believe I would smoke only Missouri Meerschaums for a while. Then, when I knew what the hell I wanted and had the money available, I'd have an artisan make me a pipe to my specs. Repeat whenever the urge and money coincide. That way, I'd have fewer but higher quality pipes sitting around doing nothing.

Yes!!!!! cheers bounce cheers

I agree 1000%

The only pipe which can beat an MM cob (maybe) is a pipe carved by a real artisan like Charl Goussard, for instance

But, as I can't turn back the pages of Time, I will have to stick with Savinelli
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PostSubject: Re: "new" pipe choices   Fri May 01, 2015 2:51 pm

Just getting started out, Missouri meerschaums are the best pipe dollar wise on the planet. Great smoking pipes for less than 50$. And that's the top of the line for them. As for briars, I like peterson better than others. Savinelli does make some great ones though. For artisans, check out Kurt Huhn, he has great smoking pipes for 200$ or less
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PostSubject: Re: "new" pipe choices   Sat May 02, 2015 6:02 pm

For briar, I'd go estate. I have purchased some excellent affordable quality briars from Viking Club Pipes, Pulver Briars, Briar Blues and Smoking Pipes with out any regrets. Also Shiny Pipes on eBay is a very good seller.

I agree, for the price it's tough to beat the smoking quality of a Missouri Meerschaum cob. I smoke cobs probably 60% of the time.
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PostSubject: Re: "new" pipe choices   Sun May 03, 2015 12:38 pm

In light of all the wonderfully thoughtful posts on here. I am going to do just what has been suggested. smoke some MM cobs for a while, get a good idea of what I like in a size/shape/stem etc toy around, and save a little dough on the side, and probably have one built. I might buy the a savinelli in the meantime, since I have been looking there is one that has drawn my eye, but its no rush. I can also take some a cob fishing as well (which is where I do most of my pipe smoking) and not be a neurotic mess hanging out over the water with it in my mouth. I ordered a grab bag, and a couple others, should be here soon.

Thanks for all the insight gents
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PostSubject: Re: "new" pipe choices   Sun May 03, 2015 1:26 pm

DrumsAndBeer wrote:
For briar, I'd go estate. I have purchased some excellent affordable quality briars from Viking Club Pipes, Pulver Briars, Briar Blues and Smoking Pipes with out any regrets. Also Shiny Pipes on eBay is a very good seller.

I agree, for the price it's tough to beat the smoking quality of a Missouri Meerschaum cob. I smoke cobs probably 60% of the time.

I'll second that. I've bought two pipes from shinypipes and both have been immaculate. You'll pay high end prices for high end pipes, but even so he's not as bad as most. And he has very reasonably priced pipes in the 50-90 dollar range, and they are always completely restored.
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PostSubject: Re: "new" pipe choices   Mon May 11, 2015 7:15 pm

ftrplt wrote:
Brother Nick...Pete's are mostly fine smokers. I love their shapes; hate their QC. Far too many fills in their "higher quality" pipes...

I love me some Petes, but only their low end pipes. If you want a pipe that will look OK and smoke nicely, something to smoke while camping or just enjoy around the house, then you can't go wrong with a Pete. I've got a couple of Pete Irish Army pipes that are never gonna win any beauty prizes, but are the two best smoking pipes that I own. They're built like tanks and have a superb draw. They're meant to be smoking pipes, and they excel at their intended purpose - and they were reasonably priced to boot.However, I've examined a few Pete high-end pipes and those left me less than inspired. They looked great at a distance, but upon inspection I found way too many flaws on these pipes that were priced north of $200USD.

However, I won't single-out Pete as being the sole offender in this respect. Sav and Stan are guilty of this as well. I think that there comes a point where you return begins to diminish. Pete, Stan, and Sav all make really good pipes in the entry level ($80 - $180) price range. They may not be beauty queens, but they're all probably gonna smoke just fine. However, when I start to go north of $180 then all of these manufacturers have left me kind of cold because I haven't really found any (at least not any that I've ever handled) that were worth the asking price. Seems like all they did was put lipstick on their entry level pipes, but none of them appeared to be made of a better quality briar (at least nothing that appeared too be worth the extra coin) or were any better engineered - just some pretty bright work, a cooler stem, and a nicer finish. Cosmetic refinements that were nice, but not nice enough to justified the price increase that the manufacturers wanted. At least not for me, anyway.

When it comes to pipes priced north of $200 I won't buy a pipe from any of the major pipe manufacturers because I've never found any that I thought were really worth the asking price. My Dunhill estate would be the only exception, but brand new that pipe would be something that I couldn't have afforded anyway. If I'm gonna pay more than $200 for a pipe, then I'm gonna go with an artisan-made pipe. I have two high-end pipes made by Sasquatch over at BST, both were priced north of $200. I chatted with Sas about the general idea that I had for them, and he created works of art that exceeded anything I could think of. On both pipes, the briar is flawless, the finish is stunning, the balance is superb, the draw is awesome (but not awesomer than those two Pete Irish Army pipes), and the bit has been hand cut and fitted. Both are big enough to give me a good hour's worth of smoking joy.

YMMV, but I think that if you're gonna collect pipes than you should concentrate on artisan-made pipes. You'll get a lot more pipe for your money.
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PostSubject: Re: "new" pipe choices   Mon May 11, 2015 7:48 pm

When it comes to bang for the buck, my Moretti pipes are really hard to beat.

I am somewhat hard to please, being that I am a "glass is half full" type of guy. So far I have purchased 34 pipes from Marco, and have never considered complaining, let alone sending one back.

Here is a link to Marco's ebay page-

http://www.ebay.com/sch/bima1960/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
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PostSubject: Re: "new" pipe choices   Mon May 11, 2015 9:05 pm

RoyOdhner wrote:
ftrplt wrote:
Brother Nick...Pete's are mostly fine smokers. I love their shapes; hate their QC. Far too many fills in their "higher quality" pipes...

I love me some Petes, but only their low end pipes. If you want a pipe that will look OK and smoke nicely, something to smoke while camping or just enjoy around the house, then you can't go wrong with a Pete. I've got a couple of Pete Irish Army pipes that are never gonna win any beauty prizes, but are the two best smoking pipes that I own. They're built like tanks and have a superb draw. They're meant to be smoking pipes, and they excel at their intended purpose - and they were reasonably priced to boot.However, I've examined a few Pete high-end pipes and those left me less than inspired. They looked great at a distance, but upon inspection I found way too many flaws on these pipes that were priced north of $200USD.

However, I won't single-out Pete as being the sole offender in this respect. Sav and Stan are guilty of this as well. I think that there comes a point where you return begins to diminish. Pete, Stan, and Sav all make really good pipes in the entry level ($80 - $180) price range. They may not be beauty queens, but they're all probably gonna smoke just fine. However, when I start to go north of $180 then all of these manufacturers have left me kind of cold because I haven't really found any (at least not any that I've ever handled) that were worth the asking price. Seems like all they did was put lipstick on their entry level pipes, but none of them appeared to be made of a better quality briar (at least nothing that appeared too be worth the extra coin) or were any better engineered - just some pretty bright work, a cooler stem, and a nicer finish. Cosmetic refinements that were nice, but not nice enough to justified the price increase that the manufacturers wanted. At least not for me, anyway.

When it comes to pipes priced north of $200 I won't buy a pipe from any of the major pipe manufacturers because I've never found any that I thought were really worth the asking price. My Dunhill estate would be the only exception, but brand new that pipe would be something that I couldn't have afforded anyway. If I'm gonna pay more than $200 for a pipe, then I'm gonna go with an artisan-made pipe. I have two high-end pipes made by Sasquatch over at BST, both were priced north of $200. I chatted with Sas about the general idea that I had for them, and he created works of art that exceeded anything I could think of. On both pipes, the briar is flawless, the finish is stunning, the balance is superb, the draw is awesome (but not awesomer than those two Pete Irish Army pipes), and the bit has been hand cut and fitted. Both are big enough to give me a good hour's worth of smoking joy.

YMMV, but I think that if you're gonna collect pipes than you should concentrate on artisan-made pipes. You'll get a lot more pipe for your money.

Lots of wisdom here, including and especially the recommendation to lean towards artisan pipes beyond a given price point. You certainly get what you pay for there. And, you can get a pipe made to your design/specs.

Lots of factory Pete's, Sav's, and such in my collection. And they are all fine pipes and well worth what I paid. Smoke all of them regularly and not a dud in the bunch. So there is that.

This is not to disrespect any name brand manufacturer. I've had major lust for a few and still do. One just has to have their own priorities in mind.


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PostSubject: new pipe choice   Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:57 pm

I don't think you can go wrong with a Peterson, but don't rule out a Stanwell, one of the best (and certainly the best-designed) mass produced pipes.

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PostSubject: Re: "new" pipe choices   Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:54 pm

Brewdude wrote:
...One just has to have their own priorities in mind.


Cheers,

RR

And this is the essence of collecting pipes.

I know pipe smokers who collect only Dunhills, and that is cool. I know pipe smokers who concentrate on Petes, and that is cool too. I know pipe smokers who have never owned more than two pipes in their entire lives, and I know a pipe smoker who never owned more than one pipe - a Dr G - and he would smoke that until it fell apart, then go buy another one. I know a bunch of pipe smokers who smoke nothing but MM cobs, and have several of varying sizes on hand. None of us has a corner on class or superiority when it comes to pipes, because it's all kind of subjective. You've got to smoke and collect what you like... and, most importantly, what you can afford.

My collection is at about 50 right now. The only pipe I lust for anymore is a Watson, part of the Pete Sherlock Holmes series - and I know a B&M that has one. I've asked for it for Father's Day, and if I don't get it then I'll buy it for myself as a birthday present. It will go along with the Mycroft and Original that I already have. However, knowing what I know now my collection would be considerably smaller. I'd have just stuck with my straight Falcon and various bowls, my no-name basket Canadian, my Dr. G Royalton and a MM Diplomat, my two Pete Irish Army pipes, my two (soon to be three) Pete Sherlock Holmes pipes, and my two BST artisan pipes. Unfortunately, that knowledge came at the expense of collecting pipes based on whims.

Like many others, I was caught up in the fervor of collecting pipes - many of which looked good but were crappy smokers. I spent a lot of money on crappy pipes over the years, and the 50 I now own are those that are the best smoking of the lot. I've given away or disposed of about 25 others. However, of those 50 the only ones I really smoke on a regular basis are the afore mentioned 11 pipes. I'm making plans to reorganize my smoking corner of the living room into a small office once I graduate from Texas Wesleyan, and in the process those 50 pipes will be thinned down to about 20. I'll keep the other 30 on ice so that I can rotate them.

When it comes right down to it, a pipe is only a tool to burn tobacco - and you can only smoke one pipe at a time. Knowing what I know now, I'd have focused on tobacco and building a cellar and been a lot more conservative and critical (and self-disciplined) when it comes to collecting pipes. This is strictly based on my own perspective, but when it comes to the OP I'd discourage pipe collecting - at least I'd discourage buying more than one pipe every couple of years. I'd recommend focusing on building a cellar instead.
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