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Brewdude

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PostSubject: Shotgun rec's   Fri Nov 27, 2015 9:40 pm

Hey

I've been thinking about a shotgun for home protection for some years. I know essentially nothing about them. Last time I fired a shotgun was when I was about 10 yrs old at a YMCA camp.

So what should I be looking at? Don't really want to go into a gun store and have them upsell me on what might be their biggest profit maker.

My price range? Well, I don't really know until I hear the recs but suffice to say that about $500 would be the limit. And hopefully much less than that, but there again I have absolutely no idea when it comes to this stuff.

I won't be using it for sport/game/trap shooting. In fact I'm only sighted in one eye and that was my "good'' one that I used for shooting. Not that I'm involved in shooting per se, but did do a bit of that years ago.

So what do you think?



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PostSubject: Re: Shotgun rec's   Fri Nov 27, 2015 9:53 pm

A good used 12 gauge pump action would fit your needs, a used gun would be a good choice. For home protection there are quite a few articles about shot choices especially if one lives in a duplex or apartment, there are shot choices that will stop the perpetrator and not penetrate the second layer of wall board, slugs and heavy buckshot loads are not among them.

Practice is also a much required necessity as well since you have to be able to hit what you're aiming at and there are many ways one can effectively use a shotgun w/o mounting it to sight it.

If offered in your area a home defense class might be the wisest investment you can make, it will not only ensure you will safely handle the firearm but it will have the latest data to help you make a wise choice for you and your wallet. If you are wondering, yes, I was a Chief Hunter Safety Instructor, I taught firearm handling and safety and I also taught survival, cheers.
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PostSubject: Re: Shotgun rec's   Fri Nov 27, 2015 11:09 pm

Remington 870 express. Cheap, built like a tank, reliable, accurate. Get the 28" barrel, go find a local trap club, learn to be proficient with it. The sawed off short barrel guns are no better at home defense, but they are worthless for shooting sports, and shooting sports is what gets you proficient with guns.

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PostSubject: Re: Shotgun rec's   Fri Nov 27, 2015 11:11 pm

fishnbanjo wrote:
...A good used 12 gauge pump action would fit your needs, a used gun would be a good choice.

+1 All the name brands are pretty good: Remington, Mossberg, Winchester, etc. My preference is the Ithaca Model 37.
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PostSubject: Re: Shotgun rec's   Fri Nov 27, 2015 11:34 pm

Fella who used to live across the street saw some kids siphoning gas out of his truck. Opened the door real quiet-like, stuck his Winchester Model 12 out and shucked it. Nothing but assholes and elbows exiting the area. Once you've heard an action like that you never forget it.
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PostSubject: Re: Shotgun rec's   Fri Nov 27, 2015 11:54 pm

The Remmington 870 is a good recommendation. Another is the Mossberg 500. Both have been used by military and law enforcement personnel for years and have an abundance of aftermarket parts. The good news is that in the shotgun market, $500 will be more than enough to get whatever you need, especially used.
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PostSubject: Re: Shotgun rec's   Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:17 am

Rande, I'll 3rd the 870 recommendations. Just a fantastic shotgun that can be had used for around $200, and accessories are prolific from many aftermarket companies.

An 870 is similar to the small block 350 Chevy, in versatility and popularity. If you buy one used, you probably won't see much depreciation if you decide to trade either.
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PostSubject: Re: Shotgun rec's   Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:40 am

Do not worry about good eye or bad eye.  With a shotgun, you just point and shoot.  For home defense, as a last resort, any field grade gun is going to do what you need.  As long as it's solid and clean, it will digest factory ammo just fine.

Every gun store in the country will probably have used Remington 870's, Browning BPS's, Winchester's of various types.  Old Steven's like the one I have.  Numerous double guns.  And if you prefer, automatics.  Remington Model 11's and Browning Auto 5's.

Speaking of ammo.  Anything at close range in a home will do.  You do not need slugs or buckshot.  Buckshot is popular on the shelves and I have a box.  Even an ounce and a quarter of #9 shot in a Dove load is going to be devastating at close range.

You can get a good idea of what different models sell for at Gunbroker.com  Check the completed auctions.  Lots of search functions.

Learn how to strip the weapon down for cleaning.  Keep it oiled and waxed as you prefer, and it will be there for you when/if you need it.  Do not store it in a soft padded gun case.  It may draw moisture and rust the thing badly.

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PostSubject: Re: Shotgun rec's   Sat Nov 28, 2015 1:02 pm

Guess I'm odd man out, but, the Mossberg 510 Mini Super Bantam in 20gauge makes a great in the house shotgun. Shorter over-all makes for better handling inside and an oz of shot is an oz of shot.

$325 at Cabelas.
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PostSubject: Re: Shotgun rec's   Sat Nov 28, 2015 2:19 pm

My guess is that well over half the home defense shotguns sold are Remington 870s and Mossberg 500s. Both are inexpensive and reliable. I'd choose one of them. The functional difference between the two is the location of the safety. If you're left handed, the Mossberg is better.

If the shotgun were for me, I'd buy a 28" barrel. so I could hunt with it. Since you have no interest in anything other than home defense, go with the 18˝" barrel. Something along this line would be my choice. http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/37_64_991/products_id/95077/Remington+870+Express+12g+18%22+blued%2C+black-synthetic
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PostSubject: Re: Shotgun rec's   Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:34 pm

Many thanks for the responses brothers. I'll be absorbing these and will lyk how I get on. In the meantime, please keep the comments coming.



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PostSubject: Re: Shotgun rec's   Thu Dec 24, 2015 10:07 pm

At the range of your intended use, a 20-gauge would be just fine. Plenty of shot gunners will tell you that the 20 packs as much wallop as the 12 out to reasonable shooting distances. Not all of them, of course, but if you're aiming to hit something across the living room, you should be fine. Practice saying, "Get off my lawn." (Sorry, movie joke.)
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PostSubject: Re: Shotgun rec's   Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:20 pm

If you choose the 870 I'd recommend shopping for a used one.  My nephew bought a new one and it was absolute junk; next to the old one his dad owns it was a shadow of the old gun's quality.  Wouldn't cycle shells and wouldn't fire half the time.  He sent it back to Remington 2 or 3 times and they never could fix it.  They did eventually refund his money; I'll give them that.
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PostSubject: Re: Shotgun rec's   Tue Dec 29, 2015 5:50 pm

Brewdude: Except a training class when you buy the shotgun get some accessories as a saddle for 4 extra rounds and a flash light.

Idlefellow wrote:
My nephew bought a new one and it was absolute junk; next to the old one his dad owns it was a shadow of the old gun's quality.  Wouldn't cycle shells and wouldn't fire half the time.  He sent it back to Remington 2 or 3 times and they never could fix it.  They did eventually refund his money; I'll give them that.

"Recycle" and "economy" done many bad things in "Quality" now at modern times.
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PostSubject: Re: Shotgun rec's   Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:22 am

I've got two Mossbergs 500's. The 500 Royal is a good gun...nice to look at too. The shorter barreled 500 lives in the bedroom and is loaded with double ought buck. The Royal is loaded with number four and in a different room. Both are smooth bores but accurate out to 100 yards with slugs. Good guns for deer too. Simple to break down for a good cleaning. I've had no problems with either. One word of warning...12 ga. shot guns loaded with 3" slugs kick like a mule on steroids.
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PostSubject: Re: Shotgun rec's   Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:11 am

My daughters fiance owns a large shop in WV. He just put together a tactical 870 and cerakoted it camo. I asked him to build me one as well (all black). I'll have to snag a picture of it, but it's using similar components.

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PostSubject: Re: Shotgun rec's   Sat Jan 02, 2016 3:07 pm

I have two Model 12 Winchesters, one was my fathers duck gun with a 30" barrel and full choke and the other I picked up when in high school and now have modified for home defense with an 18" barrel, open choke and I keep it loaded with dbl ought buckshot. Nice thing about pre-'68 pumps, there is no seer interuptor on the trigger so you can fire a shot with each stroke of the pump by keeping the trigger pulled so you can almost fire as fast as an auto !! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Shotgun rec's   Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:54 am

Watch your ammo choice W either the 12_or 20 GA. Pick something that is not likely to penetrate interior walls of your home.

For effective home security I like to plant traps all over the house, like in Home Alone! I wanna be up on the landing watching the intruders bloody and smoking below and be able to yell, "Ya had enough? Or are ya eager fer some more?" I wanna hear 'em squeal!
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PostSubject: Re: Shotgun rec's   Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:22 pm

Blackhorse wrote:
Watch your ammo choice W either the 12_or 20 GA. Pick something that is not likely to penetrate interior walls of your home.

For effective home security I like to plant traps all over the house, like in Home Alone! I wanna be up on the landing watching the intruders bloody and smoking below and be able to yell, "Ya had enough? Or are ya eager fer some more?" I wanna hear 'em squeal!

Careful! Don't get "hoist with your own petard."

Yes, birdshot of any size is quite adequate indoors at close range for bringing someone down. Anyone here ever fire a gun indoors with no hearing protection? I wince to think of having to do it. Then there's the clean-up. Life's a bitch.
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PostSubject: Re: Shotgun rec's   Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:21 pm

I've fired a 9MM indoors with no hearing protection. Not bad. I shudder to think of a shotgun round.
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PostSubject: Re: Shotgun rec's   Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:33 pm

Here's my SIL's 870 Serbu. I didn't realize these things are $1500! I told him to look out for a used one...

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PostSubject: Re: Shotgun rec's   Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:12 am

Firing one of those very short barrel shotguns with only the pistol grip may do more damage to you than the bad guy. The noise will deafen you, the blast will blind you in the middle of the night and with no shoulder stock the recoil will probably break your wrist.
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PostSubject: Re: Shotgun rec's   Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:42 pm

Bullwinkle wrote:
Firing one of those very short barrel shotguns with only the pistol grip may do more damage to you than the bad guy.  The noise will deafen you, the blast will blind you in the middle of the night and with no shoulder stock the recoil will probably break your wrist.

It has less kick than you would think. Even so, I'm searching for one in 20 gauge (even 410) which should be fine for home protection. I have not fired it indoors, with no ear protection but I guess my .357 would be equally as loud?
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PostSubject: Re: Shotgun rec's   Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:12 pm

Your 357 would be much louder and after exiting your house go into the neighbors house.
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PostSubject: Re: Shotgun rec's   Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:08 pm

Bullwinkle wrote:
Your 357 would be much louder and after exiting your house go into the neighbors house.

Exactly why I was thinking home defense shotgun. (although with muffs, a short barrel 12 gauge sounds pretty similar to my .357). I haven't fired either without ear protection. Guess we should...
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