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Puffer Mark

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PostSubject: Pipe shapes, pray tell. . .   Sat Dec 19, 2015 8:02 am

What distinguishes an "Author" from a "Prince"? There seems to be quite a cross-over.
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe shapes, pray tell. . .   Sat Dec 19, 2015 9:37 am

Well, according to Pipedia it seems that the Author has a rounded bowl and a thicker shank as opposed to the Prince's more bevelled appearance...

http://pipedia.org/wiki/Pipe_Shapes

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PostSubject: Re: Pipe shapes, pray tell. . .   Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:35 am

Princes traditionally have a straight shank and a long stem.

Authors traditionally have just a little bend and are usually a much chubbier presentation.

The bowl shape is certainly in the same area, ranging from almost dead round (kaywoodie 13b for example) to appley to almost a brandy on some princes, but the presentation of the pipe, the Prince of Wales is a long pipe, like a Bing Crosby, and an author is short and almost stubby.

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PostSubject: Re: Pipe shapes, pray tell. . .   Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:37 am

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PostSubject: Re: Pipe shapes, pray tell. . .   Sat Dec 19, 2015 12:23 pm

I was never aware until now of any confusion between the two, but I can see where one might be flummoxed: they both have a bowl, shank, and bit. (Don't mind me--just yankin' yer chain. Wink )
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe shapes, pray tell. . .   Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:30 am

Thanks, gents, particularly stick for that chart. I hear ya, but the reason for my question is that I have a Pete shape 408

see: http://assets.smokingpipes.com/images/products-hr/002-029-15804.jpg (mine with a slightly fuller, rounder bowl)

and was wondering where it may fall, Prince, Author, or something else (bent apple maybe?) Seems to be neither fish nor foul.
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe shapes, pray tell. . .   Sun Dec 20, 2015 10:18 am

Whatever it is called, it is a beautiful pipe. cyclops
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe shapes, pray tell. . .   Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:05 pm

I think of an author as having a rather thick, short, snake-like curvature with a squat bowl. The prince has patently thinner, more elegant lines, often with a slight, graceful arch if bent. I'd say you're correct in calling the 408 a bent apple, a very useful, pragmatic shape. Pipe "shapes" are just meant for general classification anyhow. When selling on eBay for instance, I just list every possibility in the heading. I believe my last had three different shape names--horn, bent dublin, and something else I pulled out of somewhere. It sold just fine.
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe shapes, pray tell. . .   Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:41 pm

I must say I am fond of the lines on the Pete shape 408. I would call it a bent apple, but I am not an expert ot anything.
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe shapes, pray tell. . .   Sun Dec 20, 2015 8:08 pm

I've always followed what the pipe maker called their pipes . For example Dunhill calls their diamond shanked bent bulldogs Rhodesians while GBD calls them Bent Bulldogs so for me, if I have a GBD Bent Bulldog that's what it is but if I have one of Dunhill's Rohdesians THAT'S what it is ! Makes life easy/peasy !! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe shapes, pray tell. . .   Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:41 am

monbla256 wrote:
I've always followed what the pipe maker called their pipes . For example Dunhill calls their diamond shanked bent bulldogs Rhodesians while GBD calls them Bent Bulldogs so for me, if I have a GBD Bent Bulldog that's what it is but if I have one of Dunhill's Rohdesians THAT'S what it is ! Makes life easy/peasy !! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

Can't get fairer than that Michael!
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe shapes, pray tell. . .   Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:49 am

Funny that the chart doesn't list a "tomato" shape. scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe shapes, pray tell. . .   Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:36 am

hobie1dog wrote:
Funny that the chart doesn't list a "tomato" shape. scratch

Here you go...  Wink



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PostSubject: Re: Pipe shapes, pray tell. . .   Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:39 pm

I wonder why I've never seen a pipe carved like a pumpkin though? scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe shapes, pray tell. . .   Mon Dec 21, 2015 11:41 pm

I've seen Pete 408s, which I like a lot, described as Apples of a slightly bent, chubby design, tho I would argue that the 408 shank is straight, and the curve is all in the bit. I have three, and that's how it looks to me, anyway. Of course, a lot of Pete styles are characterized by chubbiness.   Think of pipes as made of pliable clay instead of briar. Begin the mental pic with a clay billiard. You can't get more straightforward than a billiard. Cant the bowl and add a gentle curve to the stem and you have a Zulu. Add a little clay to the bowl and you get an Apple, Brandy or Dublin, depending on where you add. Squash and enlarge the bowl, and you have a Pot. Squash the bowl a bit and stretch the pipe, and you get a Prince. Squash the bowl a little more and you have a Tomato. Add a little clay mid-bowl and you have an Author. Carve a ring around it, and you have a Bulldog. Far as I know, these differences were originally intended by pipe-makers to enhance the smoker's enjoyment of different tobaccos, not simply to cause nomenclature arguments among peace-loving pipers or as a self-justification strategy of the marketing department. And the G Pease site is a treasure, for sure.
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe shapes, pray tell. . .   Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:27 am

The 408 is a cross between an Apple and Author, but to my eye, more Apple.

Peterson does make the Prince, in Shape 408 (and a shape on my Holy Grail list). I missed this pre-Republic 406 Supreme sold earlier this year.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lightly-Smoked-1940s-Peterson-Supreme-406-Prince-Stamped-MADE-IN-IRELAND-/301520431307?nma=true&si=NMWvBlC7LPw4eMhnchcpV3qlXoI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

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PostSubject: Re: Pipe shapes, pray tell. . .   Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:27 pm

Here's one for you "shape folks", what would you call this one?


Charatan Special Banker

Charatan and BBB and Hardcastle's called 'em Bankers though they look like Authors except they have OVAL shanks/stems Twisted Evil



Hardcastle's Banker

So what say you you shape experts ?  Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe shapes, pray tell. . .   Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:54 pm

I would call the shape an "avoid me."
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe shapes, pray tell. . .   Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:01 pm

Richard Burley wrote:
I would call the shape an "avoid me."

There's always one in every crowd !! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe shapes, pray tell. . .   Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:13 am

Richard Burley wrote:
I was never aware until now of any confusion between the two, but I can see where one might be flummoxed: they both have a bowl, shank, and bit. (Don't mind me--just yankin' yer chain. Wink )


lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe shapes, pray tell. . .   Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:16 am

hobie1dog wrote:
I wonder why I've never seen a pipe carved like a pumpkin though? scratch

I would like an Ash Gourd
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