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PostSubject: Re: Pipe Tobacco From 2007 Onward   Sat May 14, 2016 11:10 pm

499 pages of legalese is a lot to digest for anyone. I suspect more answers will be forthcoming in the days to come. We also haven't even begun the round rafter round of clarification issues to come from the Federal Department of Asshats. Patience grasshoppers all will be revealed soon.
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe Tobacco From 2007 Onward   Sat May 14, 2016 11:19 pm

So, we have two years to get the post '07 blends... sorry guys, I should just read up on this stuff myself
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe Tobacco From 2007 Onward   Sat May 14, 2016 11:41 pm

Old Nate wrote:
So, we have two years to get the post '07 blends... sorry guys, I should just read up on this stuff myself

Basically. Yeah.
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe Tobacco From 2007 Onward   Sat May 14, 2016 11:44 pm

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I am wondering if some blends, like Old Dark Fired & union Square are profitable enough for Mac Baren and C&D to pay whatever the FDA wants for approval. Sure enough, less popular blends will most likely be discontinued.

Unlikely. USA Today estimated $1,000,000 per SKU. so unless they're selling millions of pounds, which they aren't, maybe a few 1,000 a year, it'll never be profitable.
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe Tobacco From 2007 Onward   Sat May 14, 2016 11:49 pm

ZeroContent wrote:
Old Nate wrote:
So, we have two years to get the post '07 blends... sorry guys, I should just read up on this stuff myself

Basically. Yeah.

Thanks, Z. I'm def bummed about this. Ugh...
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe Tobacco From 2007 Onward   Sun May 15, 2016 1:03 am

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Eric Furgeson wrote:
The sky might not be falling yet but let me ask if anyone has thought of what this could do to B&M sales of ALL bulk tobacco? With the common practice of shops giving there own names to other blends how will they be able to prove what the actual "mother" blend is? Or when they first blended it. I was speaking with a local tobacco sales rep. He is the one who brought this to my attention. I can't help but agree that this may lead to a decline in the availibility of bulk blends over all. I can also see the price of tins and pouches going through the roof before long.

I talked with Christian and Waymond at Just For Him today regarding their view, and both agreed that "all those jars behind the counter and their blending bulks, open box stuff, and sample tins will make room for more tins and pipes." They do make some of their own blends with bulk blends sourced from other manufacturers, and they plan on having to discontinue that offering as well. It seems that they would have to get licensed as tobacco manufacturers and have to go through the same hoops as the others. Even Mary from McClellands isn't returning calls or emails regarding the new legislation. Seems like an awful lot of folks holding their breath over a done deal. Might as well keep breathing and carry on, eh?  

This is much as the rep I spoke with said. So it looks as we have dodged many bullets in the past but this one went deeper then we thought. Before long if it is not in a tin or pouch and from a pre 07 blend it may be only a memory in the B&Ms. And I can see how this will cause a decline in B&M pipe sales as well. How many pipes have you bought at B&Ms because you have been eyeballing them while picking up an ounce or five of your favorite bulk blends? I know I am a see and feel shopper for the most part. I don't often buy things I can not check out in person.
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe Tobacco From 2007 Onward   Sun May 15, 2016 2:12 am

ZeroContent wrote:
Unlikely. USA Today estimated $1,000,000 per SKU. so unless they're selling millions of pounds, which they aren't, maybe a few 1,000 a year, it'll never be profitable.

Yikes, that's insane.
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe Tobacco From 2007 Onward   Sun May 15, 2016 2:25 am

What's a million bucks for those greedy 1%ers everyone is complaining about?  I say we make it 50bazillion dollars!!!  That'll teach them.

We ought to do this for everything... If you make more than a cheeseburger architect, we should tax you to that level.  Also, we should nationalize housing. There's no reason you should have a swimming pool and a den when I live in a trailer. It's not fair, and I have children you greedy monsters.  Now, I've said enough.. I'm going to the girls room to tinkle.

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PostSubject: Re: Pipe Tobacco From 2007 Onward   Sun May 15, 2016 3:21 am

Don't forget to leave the seat up PB
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe Tobacco From 2007 Onward   Sun May 15, 2016 2:42 pm

5) How is it this thread got demoted to bathroom humour, I will never know............
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe Tobacco From 2007 Onward   Sun May 15, 2016 2:51 pm

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5) How is it this thread got demoted to bathroom humour, I will never know............

Past the first couple of posts, it never even stayed on topic. Ah well.
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe Tobacco From 2007 Onward   Sun May 15, 2016 5:58 pm

What about the lakeland stuff in 2007?
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe Tobacco From 2007 Onward   Sun May 15, 2016 8:36 pm

No more McClelland's Christmas Cheer. Nor any of the seasonal offerings from any of the other guys. Special editions too. I would hazard a guess that all products from beyond the borders will be affected as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe Tobacco From 2007 Onward   Sun May 15, 2016 9:04 pm

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What about the lakeland stuff in 2007?

Does GH&Co or SG have any 'post-2007' blends?
And does an importer have the same date/burden of permit situation as a US Based manufacturer?

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PostSubject: Re: Pipe Tobacco From 2007 Onward   Sun May 15, 2016 9:15 pm

puros_bran wrote:
Bugsahearn wrote:
What about the lakeland stuff in 2007?

Does GH&Co or SG have any 'post-2007' blends?
And does an importer have the same date/burden of permit situation as a US Based manufacturer?

My non-edumacted guess is that they will not be subject to this. That is unless they choose to sell to the US.


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PostSubject: Re: Pipe Tobacco From 2007 Onward   Sun May 15, 2016 10:55 pm

They do sell to the US. That's why I was asking.

How does this apply to imported blends is my basic question.

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PostSubject: Re: Pipe Tobacco From 2007 Onward   Sun May 15, 2016 11:55 pm

puros_bran wrote:
They do sell to the US.  That's why I was asking.

How does this apply to imported blends is my basic question.

My guess, and it really is a guess, is that they would still be required to pay the application fee for FDA to approve it. Are imported goods subject to FDA approval, such as things from international supermarkets? If another government's approval of a product suffices, then it is possible the likes of SG, Peterson, Dan, etc. may not be affected.
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe Tobacco From 2007 Onward   Mon May 16, 2016 12:25 am

Yes, foreign foodstuffs are theoretically required to meet FDA guidelines. It's why our blue cheese sucks monkey arse.

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PostSubject: Re: Pipe Tobacco From 2007 Onward   Mon May 16, 2016 12:30 am

puros_bran wrote:
Yes, foreign foodstuffs are theoretically required to meet FDA guidelines.  It's why our blue cheese sucks monkey arse.

That most likely, albeit unfortunately, answers our question. So, Mac Baren and others who have released new blends in the last 9 years will also be affected, though I think some of their blends are only for the US market, no?
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe Tobacco From 2007 Onward   Mon May 16, 2016 12:50 am

No clue...

Will the 2007 grandfather date apply to imports or will each one be required to get certification?

If the 2007 date applies would it only be applicable to pre2007 blends in the US pre2007, or would all pre2007 blends be grandfathered, like Gallahers Irish brick (or whatever it's called)

If a pre2007 blend like Dunhill left the US market for a time post2007 but then returned to the market before the regulation goes into effect, does it count as a post 2007 or a pre 2007

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If I were an importer I think I'd be more afraid than if I were a US producer.

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PostSubject: Re: Pipe Tobacco From 2007 Onward   Mon May 16, 2016 12:52 am

puros_bran wrote:
No clue...

Will the 2007 grandfather date apply to imports or will each one be required to get certification?  

If the 2007 date applies would it only be applicable to pre2007 blends in the US pre2007, or would all pre2007 blends be grandfathered, like Gallahers Irish brick (or whatever it's called)

If a pre2007 blend like Dunhill left the US market for a time post2007 but then returned to the market before the regulation goes into effect, does it count as a post 2007 or a pre 2007

—–— –– ––––— – –– —––

If I were an importer I think I'd be more afraid than if I were a US producer.  

An astute statement, to be sure.
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe Tobacco From 2007 Onward   Mon May 16, 2016 9:16 am

Cabbies blend and Pensioners mix from the Gawiths are both new blends

Also any of the Captain Black offerings in the 50gram tins. I believe they are Black Sea, Midnight Gold, and Red Sky

The entire Comoy's Cask line as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe Tobacco From 2007 Onward   Mon May 16, 2016 11:37 pm

About a third of C&D's blends
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PostSubject: Re: Pipe Tobacco From 2007 Onward   Tue May 17, 2016 12:11 am

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About a third of C&D's blends

Not even close Ozzy.. It may seem that way with them rolling out a 'new' tobacco every six months or so, but it's an illusion.  

I don't know how the post-Craig shop is ran so I can't comment on the current state but when Craig was alive he had about 250-275 active blends and probably triple that inactive...and that wasn't counting GLP, Capt Earle, etc.

On old TR.com there were something like 600 blends listed for them.  new and improved TR.com shows a little over 250.

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PostSubject: Re: Pipe Tobacco From 2007 Onward   Tue May 17, 2016 1:50 am

puros_bran wrote:
Ozark Wizard wrote:
About a third of C&D's blends

Not even close Ozzy.. It may seem that way with them rolling out a 'new' tobacco every six months or so, but it's an illusion.  

I don't know how the post-Craig shop is ran so I can't comment on the current state but when Craig was alive he had about 250-275 active blends and probably triple that inactive...and that wasn't counting GLP, Capt Earle, etc.

On old TR.com there were something like 600 blends listed for them.  new and improved TR.com shows a little over 250.

So how many C&D blends are actually currently in production? Not including others they package?
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