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PostSubject: Rust advise   Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:37 am

Dose any one know how to get rust off well. I have just found out my mother in law put one of my 500 dollar guitars out in a shop basily. The screws on the pickups rusted and the strap pin is rusted as well as the cord connection. I had no idea I had been looking for it for months. now I'm still missing a black and white telecaster I'm hope it's not stolen but help with the rust. Trying g to get them all back out I want to record a new cd
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PostSubject: Re: Rust advise   Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:21 am

Use or you can even soak in WD-40. Then what I do is either use 0000 steel wool or a very fine mesh cloth to remove the rust. Keep them well waxed or lubricated after so it does not return.  Good luck
For many years I've used WD-40 and 0000 steel wool or a fine sanding mesh to remove rust, always worked for me, but you must remove the rust or it will just act like a sealer as BH stated. 

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PostSubject: Re: Rust advise   Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:27 am

Rust-Olium or however it's spelled will chemically dissolve the rust for easier removal by physical means...sanding, etc.

WD-40 is not a solvent and does not dissolve rust. It's a lubricant and supposedly protects against, but actually attracts moisture.  Oh! It's also a crackerjack Salmon lure enhancer. Who knew. But they DO make a penetrating version, so look for that.

I think the one you're looking for if something is rusted over like a bolt, etc. is KrudKutter. You need something that penetrates the rust and that's KrudKutter. Also, Bullfrog is a product that works well. Not the sunscreen.

What to do depends on how deep and widespread the rust is. And also the shape of the rusted surface. A light rust could indeed be handled by fine abrasives such as the 0000 steel wool...but heavier rust will require sandpaper maybe as coarse as 240, then 320, then 400, etc.

I live in Oregon. Here, in the Summer, we don't tan...we rust. That plus eight years in SE Alaska.  So I have WAY too much experience with the stuff.

PS: putting oil, etc. on TOP of rust without removing the rust will just seal it in. It there's any way for the corrosion to get oxygen or water the rust will just keep going til the ferrous metal is all oxidized...orange powder...like much of the surface of Mars.

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PostSubject: Re: Rust advise   Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:48 pm

Cool thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Rust advise   Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:18 pm

Wow I looked up krudkutter, I'm getting it. Seems coom and since I am a small engine repair man it makes sense. But it will also work for.my guitar.
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PostSubject: Re: Rust advise   Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:37 pm

Arky, if you don't want rust to return use Rand CLP. I use Rand on my high carbon steel knives, and my firearms. The best CLP I've ever used. 


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PostSubject: Re: Rust advise   Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:12 pm

Awsome, hey do u blacksmith the knife, drop forge them?
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PostSubject: Re: Rust advise   Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:23 pm

I was not into blacksmithing. I purchased steel billets and Damascus billets and heat treat, then temper the steel accordingly. Each type of steel varies, you must get this right for the knife to hold a proper/good edge. I use to do all the acid etching on the Damascus and also acid etched, stonewashed and customize folders. Did allot of anodizing on titanium and some aluminum steel. When you have time take a look at some of the custom folders by Will Moon.


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PostSubject: Re: Rust advise   Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:39 pm

Will do. I have a small anvil and thought I'd take a old table saw blade and try my hand with so.ething cheap first.
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PostSubject: Re: Rust advise   Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:41 pm

I've seen some really cool big blades made starting with old lawn mower blades.

Google: lawn mower blade knife

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PostSubject: Re: Rust advise   Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:59 pm

Damn that's awsome!!! Man I got to try that I watched a video of a guy makeing one.
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PostSubject: Re: Rust advise   Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:03 pm

Lawn mower blades are perfect, have fun!! Made one of my first knives years ago from an old lawn mower. Also if you come across a railroad spike, you will need a proper anvil and hammer and a home made forge, makes a great knife. 


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PostSubject: Re: Rust advise   Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:22 pm

Take a old charcoal grill put a old Chimney pipe in the bottom cover it with mesh, run metel or chimney pipe down to a curve attach a blow drier and plug it in. start a fire and turn on the blow drier. The blow drier. I'll stoke the fire. Then use on peanut oil to quench. My goal is to learn everything I need to learn to servive when the world is up shit Creek.
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PostSubject: Re: Rust advise   Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:29 pm

That's a home made charcoal forge all right.


I've heard using actual hardwood charcoal instead of the BBQ stuff really helps keep the purity of the steel intact.  I can even find the good kind at large supermarkets.

Just sayin'.

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PostSubject: Re: Rust advise   Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:31 pm

Has any one used oak to forge? Seems like it would burn hot and long.
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PostSubject: Re: Rust advise   Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:35 pm

Hey I want to say any if yall wanna come to the farm smoke a few and hang out come on down. We do t have much. But beer smokes and Jack and coke.
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PostSubject: Re: Rust advise   Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:36 pm

Use charcoal.

Here's why...at least what I remember. It's more about adding impurities to the steel during forging than anything. Fresh organic fuel will mess up the steel. With charcoal, you essentially just have carbon left.

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PostSubject: Re: Rust advise   Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:38 pm

Good to know. I had no idea. Wow ok.
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PostSubject: Re: Rust advise   Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:01 pm

About the rust, if your a cheap bastard like me just use vinegar, yes Vinegar, use to soak things in it all the time but, on thinly chrome plated items you need to take care, it'll eat if off completely if left in too long. In fact I forgot about a cast iron skillet I had in it and it ate half of it away after sitting in it for a month. And when you pull the item out you've got to wash it immediately because it'll surface rust quickly.
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PostSubject: Re: Rust advise   Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:08 pm

Ya on mowers I use gasoline. But I can't on a guitar so thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Rust advise   Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:09 pm

There are some really good How To and Why things on uTube or in blogs that have tons of great info.

So you're going to

1. heat your steel to anneal (re-align the crystals) or "soften" it.

2. Heat it again to forging temp the hammer it til the crystals are jammed tight again...

3. Reheat as in number 2...

4. And again and again...til you have your shape.

5. Then carefully quench it in Olive Oil or whatever.

6. Grind or file your final shape, including edge to the width of a dime.

7. Once cold again you'll treat it in your oven to temper it...like 400F for 20 minutes or whatever...then turn the oven off and let it slowly cool with the oven overnight. ( one of several methods to temper and the most important).


PS: you'll want to know exactly what steel your blade is...5160 spring steel makes a great machete/knife...etc.

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PostSubject: Re: Rust advise   Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:25 pm

I used all hardwoods and a mix of charcoal when I needed to forge. A friend of mine uses coal also. 


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PostSubject: Re: Rust advise   Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:29 pm

Coal would be good - often hard to find a good source though, depending on where you live.

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PostSubject: Re: Rust advise   Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:17 pm

Just make it.
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PostSubject: Re: Rust advise   Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:19 pm

Oh you said coal. Sorry well coal is about to outlawed any ways.
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