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PostSubject: Re: D&R blends for RYO   Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:32 pm

I think the first place I tried it was Vung Tau. Good anywhere though.
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PostSubject: Re: D&R blends for RYO   Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:30 am

Just started getting paraphernalia and some of the blends in. Got a 70mm roller and three kinds of papers plus the D&R Two Timer, Ramback and Rimbouche SJ...so, a Burley, an Oriental and the SJ VA/Per.

A couple of initial impressions on the blends. My recollection of these was that they were shag fine, near crispy dry, had little character and burned like a blast furnace. Not too charitable, eh? Now? A WORLD of difference! So...

1. All 3 tins opened with no vacuum whoosh. Interesting.
2. The moisture level is dry, yes...about like a John Patton blend from 4 Noggins. To me...spot on.
3. No shag here. Ribbon cut and even some torn larger leaf in with the Rimbouche SJ.
4. The tin aroma of each blend was absolutely enticing with promise of flavors just waiting to burst forth. Quite exciting actually, for those of us that find such things so.
5. Dis gon be fun, Cher!

Tomorrow I try my hand at rolling. This should be something akin to Laurel & Hardy meet Lucy Ricardo.
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PostSubject: Re: D&R blends for RYO   Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:12 am

Added these to the burn pile this morning. Only fair.


Peter Stokkebye 84 Turkish

Peter Stokkebye 80 Norwegian Blend

Peter Stokkebye 83 Amsterdam
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PostSubject: Re: D&R blends for RYO   Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:41 am

Blackhorse wrote:
Added these to the burn pile this morning. Only fair.


Peter Stokkebye 84 Turkish

Peter Stokkebye 80 Norwegian Blend

Peter Stokkebye 83 Amsterdam

I find they grow on you in all-day mode, but that may just be me. Taste is a subjective thing.
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PostSubject: Re: D&R blends for RYO   Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:15 am

Kinda like a fungus.


Anyway...I've seen many of your reviews on the review site and elsewhere. Always make it a point to seek them out. Much appreciated. I find that yours, JimInks and only maybe 3 - 4 others (interestingly all regulars from this site) are the ones I heed. We may differ via preference, but so long as you have a feel for what the other reviewer likes then you can extrapolate. Critical though is that the reviewer is not a bona fide moron. Too many of those over there. Or to be more kind..."less well experienced".
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PostSubject: Re: D&R blends for RYO   Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:55 am

Blackhorse wrote:

Anyway...I've seen many of your reviews on the review site and elsewhere. Always make it a point to seek them out. Much appreciated. I find that yours, JimInks and only maybe 3 - 4 others (interestingly all regulars from this site) are the ones I heed. We may differ via preference, but so long as you have a feel for what the other reviewer likes then you can extrapolate. Critical though is that the reviewer is not a bona fide moron. Too many of those over there. Or to be more kind..."less well experienced".

Thanks! I enjoy the reviews. They were a big help to me as I discovered there were more tobacco options than the OTC blends at the grocery store. There are some idiots who write some of them though, and that is a fact. You read something and think, "This guy is either from another planet, or he is basing this review on half a bowl from an open tin at the pipe shop, and he got the name wrong."
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PostSubject: Re: D&R blends for RYO   Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:59 am

Yes! And he's frowning and his fly is open.
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PostSubject: Re: D&R blends for RYO   Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:04 pm

Ah well. Here we go by golly. I wasted two papers to the learning curve...and the baccy is quite 'thick'...er, non-shag...so it was very helpful it seemed pretty moist and compressed into the clutches of the rolling machine really well. Anyway...scratch two, but three turned out pretty OK. I used a different paper brand with each tobacco blend. All seemed workable. The RAW brand paper performed the best. The RIZLA Red is a medium weight paper & felt like newsprint next to the other two. I have two other sizes due in plus 'tips' that are a stiff paper you roll and put on the end of the cigarette like a filter. It doesn't filter, it helps keep the contents inside and enables the end to keep its shape. So, a couple of quick photos of twenty minutes 'work'.

I gotta take my daughter's bike in for a Spring tune up and do a few errands. Then I'm back and we'll give one or two of these bad boys a trial by fire.





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PostSubject: Re: D&R blends for RYO   Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:04 pm

Ramback in the Rizla.

Surprisingly good. Excellent flavor for such a small stick. Not super eager to stay lit. An issue re the ribbon cut as opposed to it being more shaggy. But all in all quite a pleasure. Worth the effort, etc., etc., etc.

Two Timer in the RAW

Not as flavorful as the Ramback, but the paper performed better. It smoked a little hot but produced thick clouds of smoke when going well. Very Burley character. This too did well, all things considered.
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PostSubject: Re: D&R blends for RYO   Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:51 pm

Blackhorse wrote:
Ramback in the Rizla.

Surprisingly good. Excellent flavor for such a small stick. Not super eager to stay lit. An issue re the ribbon cut as opposed to it being more shaggy. But all in all quite a pleasure. Worth the effort, etc., etc., etc.

Two Timer in the RAW

Not as flavorful as the Ramback, but the paper performed better. It smoked a little hot but produced thick clouds of smoke when going well. Very Burley character. This too did well, all things considered.

I have to ask: are you going to try them in a pipe?

And I thank you for the compliments about my reviews. Father Tom and I have done a lot of trading, and I like his reviews very much, which he already knows. I would add DK to the list of top reviewers. Dan writes good reviews, spent many years working in a pipe shop, and knows tobacco.
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PostSubject: Re: D&R blends for RYO   Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:07 pm

In a what? A pipe? Hmmmm. Novel idea.



Well sure. But my focus WAS going to be RYO here. That's what I was interested in exploring.

But...it would be a cool extension of the above to do a simple comparison of the RYO to a pipe. And ya know, I just happen to have a couple of unsmoked Falcons, one with a mere bowl...BoB POY items. One is a straight, the other is the bent. It seems these blends are "subtle" as opposed to obvious. Ghosting from any old briar might affect the experience...but a fresh bulldog mere Falcon...it might just be right. Well, we'll see.
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PostSubject: Re: D&R blends for RYO   Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:03 pm

BH, I've tried similar things. I've got a 70mm roller and a big pack of Elements papers (did great in Amarillo, relative humidity is a biiiit much for them here); While I know your thread focused on D&R blends, if you ever get a hankering to try it, I've got some Semois that makes an exceptionally wonderful RYO.

As far as other blends, GLP Westminster makes a great RYO, and most anything Oriental-forward. It's something about the Orientals and Turkish that make RYO just right for me.
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PostSubject: Re: D&R blends for RYO   Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:16 pm

My first RYO here was with the all Turkish blend (very Izmir forward) and it was like a Camel straight. Ismir is my preferred Turkish and I seek it out in other blends as well. The D&R do very well, all things considered.

I do have Semois on hand, thanks.

Really excited about getting the carton of D&R Picayune "small cigars" in - due Saturday. They cost me $30 via Windy City Cigars...but for 200 factory rolled filtered smokes the like of which the Picayune blend is reputed to be...that's a steal.

I have the 70mm roller plus getting in a 78mm and 100mm set up as well. Depending on my overall success, which I'm projecting to be positive, I'll be on the lookout for other pipe blends that are kick ass in a tube. Already thinking of trying out C&D Oriental Silk. A real favorite around here. Feelin' like Bogart in The Big Sleep.
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PostSubject: Re: D&R blends for RYO   Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:06 pm

OK - exhaust fan set up and ON!

RYO of the Rimbouche SJ...not bad at all, VA and Perique Plum coming through. More difficult to control burn rate and so it is sort of up and down re flavors. But compared to nearly any other short stick these are going to shine. A 70mm doesn't last very long...but then that's the nature of the beast and matches the circumstances in which it is intended to be used. All in all quite pleasant.

Now...we GO right on to the pipe test...

Same blend - Falcon straight with mere bulldog bowl...somewhat sweeter and Perique easier to define...obviously a more regular burn so flavors are more constant. Mid bowl getting lots more pepper, a surprise given other reviews I've read...but it's there. Side streaming works really well with the little Falcon, which has a very open draw using this bowl. Yes, it's a fast smoke in the bowl too. Not easy to keep this one slow...wants to burn hot if puffed beyond a plodding pace. Smoked very dry and completely with no real hiccups. Very rewarding. Pleasing aftertaste.

I'd say the Falcon was equivalent to about three RYO smokes re volume and time to finish...as a first run trial very interesting. The flavors produced seemed richer to me as well. I'd like to have some of the D&R RYO Shag cut to try.

Hey!  This is FUN!
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PostSubject: Re: D&R blends for RYO   Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:02 pm

JimInks wrote:
Blackhorse wrote:
Ramback in the Rizla.

Surprisingly good. Excellent flavor for such a small stick. Not super eager to stay lit. An issue re the ribbon cut as opposed to it being more shaggy. But all in all quite a pleasure. Worth the effort, etc., etc., etc.

Two Timer in the RAW

Not as flavorful as the Ramback, but the paper performed better. It smoked a little hot but produced thick clouds of smoke when going well. Very Burley character. This too did well, all things considered.

I have to ask: are you going to try them in a pipe?

And I thank you for the compliments about my reviews. Father Tom and I have done a lot of trading, and I like his reviews very much, which he already knows. I would add DK to the list of top reviewers. Dan writes good reviews, spent many years working in a pipe shop, and knows tobacco.

Yes, Jim. I follow primarily your reviews, BH, DK, Bobby's, Father Tom, and D&B. They're the most helpful to me.



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PostSubject: Re: D&R blends for RYO   Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:31 pm

This morning's trial...D&R Ramback...

D&R Ramback (100% Oriental/Turkish) ribbon cut...in a Falcon straight with meerschaum bulldog bowl. Surprisingly enjoyable overall with significant floral/parfum notes. This did not want to be set down!

As a RYO...I had rolled this one a bit tight and I think it would have performed better if the draw had been a bit easier. Interestingly the character of the smoke was different in the RYO. It was, of course, very similar but the precise nature of the floral notes, inhaled by nose from the overall smoke (if that makes any sense) was purer, sweeter, than that from the meer bowl.

I think if these were available as a factory roll they would be even better. As it is, the experience is/was a delight.
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PostSubject: Re: D&R blends for RYO   Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:57 pm

Are FDA regoolaters and the tax boys readin' this here thread?   Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: D&R blends for RYO   Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:58 pm

Brewdude wrote:

Yes, Jim. I follow primarily your reviews, BH, DK, Bobby's, Father Tom, and D&B. They're the most helpful to me.


Cheers,

RR

My list is exactly the same, plus Dr. T.

More on topic, I've talked to a friend of mine and will be getting a hold of some D&R to sample - I probably won't go the RYO route, and go straight to cobs with 'em. Curious, but still just a tiny skeptical about the whole thing.
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PostSubject: Re: D&R blends for RYO   Thu Apr 27, 2017 3:04 pm

idbowman wrote:
Brewdude wrote:

Yes, Jim. I follow primarily your reviews, BH, DK, Bobby's, Father Tom, and D&B. They're the most helpful to me.


Cheers,

RR

My list is exactly the same, plus Dr. T.

More on topic, I've talked to a friend of mine and will be getting a hold of some D&R to sample - I probably won't go the RYO route, and go straight to cobs with 'em.  Curious, but still just a tiny skeptical about the whole thing.  

Yes, we have to include D&B, Dr. T., BH and Bobby's, too. Steel Cowboy has a number of very good reviews, too.
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PostSubject: Re: D&R blends for RYO   Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:57 pm

JimInks wrote:
idbowman wrote:
Brewdude wrote:

Yes, Jim. I follow primarily your reviews, BH, DK, Bobby's, Father Tom, and D&B. They're the most helpful to me.


Cheers,

RR

My list is exactly the same, plus Dr. T.

More on topic, I've talked to a friend of mine and will be getting a hold of some D&R to sample - I probably won't go the RYO route, and go straight to cobs with 'em.  Curious, but still just a tiny skeptical about the whole thing.  

Yes, we have to include D&B, Dr. T., BH and Bobby's, too. Steel Cowboy has a number of very good reviews, too.

And what about SpeedyPete (Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble)
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PostSubject: Re: D&R blends for RYO   Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:52 pm

Love this thread! Always been curious about D&R blends but could never pull the trigger as my $$ has been going to cellaring extinction blends that I know I love. I would love to get my hands on some samples of these.
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PostSubject: Re: D&R blends for RYO   Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:00 pm

Fight'n Hampsters wrote:
Love this thread!  Always been curious about D&R blends but could never pull the trigger as my $$ has been going to cellaring extinction blends that I know I love. I would love to get my hands on some samples of these.

Some of them can be hit or miss, but overall I've had a pretty good experience with the ones I've had. I've got two of the Raccoon blends on my plate for the P&T Summer edition, and I don't want to spoil anything but they're some of the better ones I've had.

Looking through the list that BH put up, I'd have to say he picked pretty much the cream of the crop. I'd maybe trade in or out one or two, but overall these are all pretty solid blends.

I can't personally vouch for D&R blends, but I'd say not to overlook them when perusing the internet for a new shipment of 'baccy. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: D&R blends for RYO   Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:44 pm

SpeedyPete wrote:


And what about SpeedyPete    (Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble)

We were a little too, uh, slow to mention you, Speedy. 5)
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PostSubject: Re: D&R blends for RYO   Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:51 pm

Yeah...many, many guys here do great reviews.

The thing for me is finding reviewers with whom you become familiar, so you know not only how they review but what they like then match those to your own preferences. So, say, I know Drums and that he pretty much likes pretty much the same as I do...but not so much Cigar leaf. Then you can judge how you'll react to a blend he has dissed or lauded. It has really come in handy.

And having a group of these guys...say 6 - 10...then when checking out that new to you blend you're more likely to find one of them has written something about it.
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PostSubject: Re: D&R blends for RYO   Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:19 pm

It really is great having so many people here who are generous enough to take the time to let us know what they are smoking and what their impressions of them are. I would be lost and have many more misses than hits if I had to just buy tins that "looked good" without any point of reference. Very Happy
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