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PostSubject: Where in the World Can You Buy Esoterica Tobaccos?   Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:52 pm

I've just about given up the chase. Every month or so, 3 or 4 online sources, NOBODY seems to ever have anything by these guys. What is the secret behind their distribution?
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PostSubject: Re: Where in the World Can You Buy Esoterica Tobaccos?   Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:40 am

That's where your problem is

You can't put your name on a call list with 500 other people on an online site,and expect them to call you.

You need to start a list of B&M stores to call monthly, as you need to compile a list of every name you hear mentioned on the forum, get their info. I have a list from all over the USA, when I was buying years ago, I would call everyone who was on the list, weekly (15-18 calls) and would make friends, and find the occasional shipment. Like everything else in life, it takes effort.

I've typed this so many times.
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PostSubject: Re: Where in the World Can You Buy Esoterica Tobaccos?   Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:18 am

The only way you'll get any Esoterica blends are as follows:

If any pipe smoker decides he wants to sell what Esoterica blends he has.

You are gifted some by a generous pipe smoker who has plenty on hand.

If it's left to you in a WILL from a pipe smoking friend or family member.

That's basically it, it ain't being made NO MO!!



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PostSubject: Re: Where in the World Can You Buy Esoterica Tobaccos?   Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:46 am

Lonecoyote wrote:
The only way you'll get any Esoterica blends are as follows:

If any pipe smoker decides he wants to sell what Esoterica blends he has.

You are gifted some by a generous pipe smoker who has plenty on hand.

If it's left to you in a WILL from a pipe smoking friend or family member.

That's basically it, it ain't being made NO MO!!



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When did production cease?
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PostSubject: Re: Where in the World Can You Buy Esoterica Tobaccos?   Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:20 am

The Esoterica blends  are made by J.F. Germain & Son's and they have officially announced nothing as always as far as ALL of their blends. There website has been down for quite a while. J.F. Germain & Son's  blends have been out of stock from ALL retailers in the US for over a year.

Copy & Paste from their website:

Made under ideal climatic conditions in the island of JERSEY, where the family business of J .F. GERMAIN & SON commenced manufacturing tobacco in 1820.
The experience gained by succeeding generations in the art of blending has produced the range of fine individual tobaccos available today.
The reconstructed factory is situated on the site of the original premises facing the harbour of St. Helier, from whence, 180 years ago, Jersey-built schooners sailed to many parts of the world, some returning with cargoes of leaf tobacco for Germain's factory.
Today we have three main areas of operation:
Tobacco Manufacturing
Importing and Distributing
Tobacconists

The Company manufactures its blends for distribution in the Channel Islands, the United Kingdom, Germany and Italy and also undertakes bespoke specialist 'own-label' manufacture.

I was told by a well known tobacconist/blender from Europe that  J .F. GERMAIN & SON is no longer in business.

Basically just the history of the company is now posted. Nothing more.

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PostSubject: Re: Where in the World Can You Buy Esoterica Tobaccos?   Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:02 am

Wow, didn't know they went kaput...
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PostSubject: Re: Where in the World Can You Buy Esoterica Tobaccos?   Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:32 am

NOTHING WAS STATED OFFICIALLY

But if you have a friend that lives in Europe some of the Germain's blends are still available at B&M's. Maybe your friend would be happy to accommodate you!!

PS, ask Chip from Smokingpipes. He would know if Germain's will ever be made again. But it's made in Europe and most countries can no longer ship tobacco's to the 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸. The U.K. Will NOT ship tobacco's, lighters and some other accessories to the USA

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PostSubject: Re: Where in the World Can You Buy Esoterica Tobaccos?   Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:51 pm

Whazzat?! Germain's is gone? A replacement must be found at once for nonobtainium! Whatever could it be? Let's see...FVF has been done, and it's so yesterday. I need a moment to ponder, maybe longer...then again, maybe I don't care. A real puzzle. scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Where in the World Can You Buy Esoterica Tobaccos?   Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:00 pm

Most Esoterica blends (Stonehaven wasn't one of them) were at a bunch of places, briefly, last week. A few Germain's blends were as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Where in the World Can You Buy Esoterica Tobaccos?   Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:32 pm

Germain's website is basically non-existent compared to only 6 months ago.



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PostSubject: Re: Where in the World Can You Buy Esoterica Tobaccos?   Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:53 pm

JimInks wrote:
Most Esoterica blends (Stonehaven wasn't one of them) were at a bunch of places, briefly, last week. A few Germain's blends were as well.

This. I just picked up 2 tins of Dunbar and a bag of Scarborough last week.

There was a good PipesMagazine Radio show interview a year or so back with Premal Chheda. Germain blends Smokers Haven's house mixtures. Premal was asked a bit about Germain tobacco and its limited availability. The answer was simple, very small production combined with very high demand. He also mentioned that for as frustrating as the lack of availabilty can be, he admired Germain's approach which has always favored extraordinarily high quality and a meticulous process, over high output.

My advice for anyone looking for it, is to pick up the phone and call around and don't rely on email notifications from the big guys unless of course you're in front of your computer all day. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Where in the World Can You Buy Esoterica Tobaccos?   Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:14 pm

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This. I just picked up 2 tins of Dunbar and a bag of Scarborough last week.

May I ask what B&M in the US had the Esoterica and Germain blends? Two friends I keep in touch with often from the U.K. have not seen any Germain blends on the shelves of three B&M's in the London area. Also one B&M in the Londonderry area of Ireland in over a year.



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PostSubject: Re: Where in the World Can You Buy Esoterica Tobaccos?   Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:49 pm

DrumsAndBeer wrote:
JimInks wrote:
Most Esoterica blends (Stonehaven wasn't one of them) were at a bunch of places, briefly, last week. A few Germain's blends were as well.

This. I just picked up 2 tins of Dunbar and a bag of Scarborough last week.

There was a good PipesMagazine Radio show interview a year or so back with Premal Chheda. Germain blends Smokers Haven's house mixtures. Premal was asked a bit about Germain tobacco and its limited availability. The answer was simple, very small production combined with very high demand. He also mentioned that for as frustrating as the lack of availabilty can be, he admired Germain's approach which has always favored extraordinarily high quality and a meticulous process, over high output.

My advice for anyone looking for it, is to pick up the phone and call around and don't rely on email notifications from the big guys unless of course you're in front of your computer all day. Razz

This. And pipestud's site also offers these occasionally. At a price, mind!



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PostSubject: Re: Where in the World Can You Buy Esoterica Tobaccos?   Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:08 pm

Steve Fallen ( PipeStud ) does offer the blends but at a price much higher than I'm willing to spend. Only recent Germain to be sold by two B&M's was purchased from a well known tobacconist/B&M that closed his doors late last year. He had a TON of Germain's blends. He was a nice guy and a shame the State of Pennsylvania gave him no choice but to close his doors. Can you imagine being taxed .55 cents per ounce for whatever blends you already had in stock!!



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PostSubject: Re: Where in the World Can You Buy Esoterica Tobaccos?   Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:31 pm

what kind did u wish to get i have like 2 oz of stonehaven but i think its still available
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PostSubject: Re: Where in the World Can You Buy Esoterica Tobaccos?   Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:34 pm

Jim and drumsandbeer - Nice that you mention esoterica blends at a bunch of places last week, and drums, you even picked up some Dunbar and Scarborough.

Would it be rude of me to ask you if you thought it might help me out a little by telling me WHICH places these were and Drums, WHERE you actually bought your tins?
( Dunbar being one which I am seeking out)

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PostSubject: Re: Where in the World Can You Buy Esoterica Tobaccos?   Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:40 pm

arkansaspiper - Yes, Stonehaven is one of the blends I am seeking out, as well as Dunbar, Dorchester and Tilbury. Did you buy your Stonehaven recently, and if so , where did you purchase it?
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PostSubject: Re: Where in the World Can You Buy Esoterica Tobaccos?   Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:48 pm

mine was gifted but as far as i can tell you cant get any more at all. i have no idea the condition of mine as i dont care for it and i put it away for later
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PostSubject: Re: Where in the World Can You Buy Esoterica Tobaccos?   Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:58 pm

Lonecoyote wrote:
DrumsAndBeer wrote:
This. I just picked up 2 tins of Dunbar and a bag of Scarborough last week.

May I ask what B&M in the US had the Esoterica and Germain blends? Two friends I keep in touch with often from the U.K. have not seen any Germain blends on the shelves of three B&M's in the London area. Also one B&M in the Londonderry area of Ireland in over a year.



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Mars Cigars had some for a few minutes last week....I wasn't quick enough
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PostSubject: Re: Where in the World Can You Buy Esoterica Tobaccos?   Sun Sep 10, 2017 2:53 am

Lonecoyote wrote:
May I ask what B&M in the US had the Esoterica and Germain blends? Two friends I keep in touch with often from the U.K. have not seen any Germain blends on the shelves of three B&M's in the London area. Also one B&M in the Londonderry area of Ireland in over a year.



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Ted, sure. I found the Scarborough at Cup o' Joes and Dunbar at Iwan Ries.
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PostSubject: Re: Where in the World Can You Buy Esoterica Tobaccos?   Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:03 am

Thanks Chris ^^^^^^^

I'm wondering if it was new releases or was it purchased from the B&M that closed in Pennsylvania. This guy had between 550 to 700 tins left and some Esoterica. The Germain's you just purchased recently have a date? Thanks, appreciate your help.



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PostSubject: Re: Where in the World Can You Buy Esoterica Tobaccos?   Sun Sep 10, 2017 1:55 pm

Lonecoyote wrote:
Thanks Chris ^^^^^^^

I'm wondering if it was new releases or was it purchased from the B&M that closed in Pennsylvania. This guy had between 550 to 700 tins left and some Esoterica. The Germain's you just purchased recently have a date? Thanks, appreciate your help.



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Sounds like all the usual etailers and B&Ms received their typical  allotment of Esoterica and Germain products last week, most just sold out super fast...as usual. I highly doubt this is the result of a PA tobacconist selling off his new old stock to a ton of different outlets, all at the same time, after ET/Germain stopped production...without making an announcement. Occam's razor, friends.

The good news is Esoterica and Germain tobaccos aren't gone for good, they're just as hard to find as ever. As others have pointed out, getting on the phone with B&Ms who have carried it in the past is best practice...especially once it is spotted at one retailer, since that means the rest have it or wil soon, since the shipments go out from Jersey in waves.
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PostSubject: Re: Where in the World Can You Buy Esoterica Tobaccos?   Sun Sep 10, 2017 2:04 pm

Lonecoyote wrote:
Thanks Chris ^^^^^^^

I'm wondering if it was new releases or was it purchased from the B&M that closed in Pennsylvania. This guy had between 550 to 700 tins left and some Esoterica. The Germain's you just purchased recently have a date? Thanks, appreciate your help.



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Ted, No date on the tins but the packaging is sparkling new.
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PostSubject: Re: Where in the World Can You Buy Esoterica Tobaccos?   Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:08 pm

Tobacco retailers must LOVE getting phone calls asking if they have any Penzance or whatever in stock, I'm thinkin'. Maybe call every day or so? Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Where in the World Can You Buy Esoterica Tobaccos?   Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:33 pm

There are three retailers I purchase tobacco's from regularly and all three told me recently that they have NOT received any tobacco's from Germain in over a year. A very well known tobacconist from the U.K. That recently closed his doors ( I'd rather NOT mention names, but most of you know him ) told me by email ( we keep in touch ) that Germain's has not manufactured any tobacco's since late 2015. I sent him an email a few minutes ago asking him if Germain had recently released some blends. I should hear back from him by tomorrow.



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