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PostSubject: All Things Must Pass....But Why THEM?   Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:56 am

I just finished my hour's bowl of after-breakfast tobacco. I chose one I haven't smoked in awhile, relatively obscure, to stuff into one of my blasted Eltang pokers; McClelland's Auroroa. God, NOBODY does Virginias like McClelland, I don't care what anyone may say, they are/were the masters of the Virginia leaf.

Is this what some of us will be telling young pipers in the future in the hushed, reverent tones of fables and mythology? Were that it not so............
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PostSubject: Re: All Things Must Pass....But Why THEM?   Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:21 am

I agree. There was something clean and pure about their blends--which doesn't exactly make sense, but I have always had that subconscious impression lodged in the recesses of my skull. I too regret their passing very much. To rub it in, I have exactly one can of aged Blackwoods left. Life will go on, I suppose, McClelland-less.
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PostSubject: Re: All Things Must Pass....But Why THEM?   Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:24 am

I have three tins of McClelland that I may not open now for another twenty years provided that I live that long. All three are blends that I have never even tried.

The founders at McClelland deserve to retire. That's how life goes. I wish them well and look forward to finding some gems in the future just like I do with certain Esoterica offerings.

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PostSubject: Re: All Things Must Pass....But Why THEM?   Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:52 am

Some of their blends are unparalled in today's market and just can't be replaced. Sadly Mary & Mike had no succession plan for the company and decided some time ago that they would close the business rather than sell it.

It's sad to see trail blazers like them ride into the sunset, but I agree with Navy Flake, even the best deserve retirement.

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PostSubject: Re: All Things Must Pass....But Why THEM?   Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:03 pm

True, they certainly deserve to retire, it just seems a real pity that they never took on apprentices or the like to pass on all that hard-earned knowledge so that their legacy could live on.
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PostSubject: Re: All Things Must Pass....But Why THEM?   Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:24 pm

smoker13 wrote:
True, they certainly deserve to retire, it just seems a real pity that they never took on apprentices or the like to pass on all that hard-earned knowledge so that their legacy could live on.

Yes, although it's really down to them not being able to source the same kinds of leaf they had been using. They just aren't being grown or processed in the same way these days.

I'll certainly miss being able to pick them up, but kudos for them to have stuck to their principles and integrity. They are going out on top of their game and have never compromised the quality.


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PostSubject: Re: All Things Must Pass....But Why THEM?   Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:58 pm

Brewdude wrote:
smoker13 wrote:
True, they certainly deserve to retire, it just seems a real pity that they never took on apprentices or the like to pass on all that hard-earned knowledge so that their legacy could live on.

Yes, although it's really down to them not being able to source the same kinds of leaf they had been using. They just aren't being grown or processed in the same way these days.

I'll certainly miss being able to pick them up, but kudos for them to have stuck to their principles and integrity. They are going out on top of their game and have never compromised the quality.


Cheers,

RR

Found this helpful from the smokingpies.com article by Chuck Stanion:

'Four decades is a long run. It was time to close McClelland's doors for several reasons, including the fact that the McNiels are well into retirement age, new regulations of unknown specific character in the near future, Mike's issues with his back ("I gotta start taking better care of myself") and the changes in availability of the tobacco leaf required by McClelland's proprietary, old world processes.

"We depended on the old ways," says Mike. "But those ways are gone." When subsidies to tobacco farmers stopped, so did the smaller farmers who harvested tobacco by hand, going through the fields several times and picking only those leaves at perfect ripeness. Now harvesting machines do that work. Tobacco auctions stopped in 2000, after the Master Tobacco Settlement made them obsolete. Tobacco became more standardized, with the subtle differences once available no longer taken into full account, differences that McClelland required for maintaining the smoking characteristics that built its reputation.

The McNiels decided to disband the company rather than sell it, primarily because no one else could do things the way they do in a normal business environment. Even should they spend six months training new owners, McClelland could never be the same, and for them, the reputation of the McClelland name is more important than money.'


https://www.smokingpipes.com/smokingpipesblog/single.cfm/post/farewell-mcclelland
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PostSubject: Re: All Things Must Pass....But Why THEM?   Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:04 pm

Having recently retired myself, I cannot blame them. More power to them!

I have a motley collection of about a dozen tins left. I never super-stocked, as I never expected the brand to disappear. (Lesson learned.) I just bought a few tins when I saw a sale. Oh well...

At least there are some other brands I also enjoy. Hopefully there won't be a run on them. I won't jinx myself by mentioning them.

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PostSubject: Re: All Things Must Pass....But Why THEM?   Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:24 pm

A concern I now have is with other brands that, at least to me, give the appearance of being very selective about the quality of tobacco that goes into their blends. GL Pease in particular comes to mind. I could see him choosing to limit production based on availability of quality tobaccos.

Now I am sure that other manufacturers are concerned about quality as well but I can see it being a bigger issue when it comes to smaller boutique companies.
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PostSubject: Re: All Things Must Pass....But Why THEM?   Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:32 pm

Fight'n Hampsters wrote:
A concern I now have is with other brands that, at least to me, give the appearance of being very selective about the quality of tobacco that goes into their blends. GL Pease in particular comes to mind. †I could see him choosing to limit production based on availability of quality tobaccos.

Now I am sure that other manufacturers are concerned about quality as well but I can see it being a bigger issue when it comes to smaller boutique companies.

Right. This is an on-going concern for all the remaining small blending outfits that source US grown leaf as the main components.

So far the other blending houses such as C&D and Sutliff are not in the same situation. Or maybe they are and the fallout has not happened.....yet. Or perhaps they use more imported leaf which may still be generally available. Time will tell.

In the meantime it's not a dumb idea to stock up now while you can. 'baccy will never be this inexpensive again in the future.

Preaching to the choir, I know!



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PostSubject: Re: All Things Must Pass....But Why THEM?   Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:40 pm

Brewdude wrote:
Fight'n Hampsters wrote:
A concern I now have is with other brands that, at least to me, give the appearance of being very selective about the quality of tobacco that goes into their blends. GL Pease in particular comes to mind. †I could see him choosing to limit production based on availability of quality tobaccos.

Now I am sure that other manufacturers are concerned about quality as well but I can see it being a bigger issue when it comes to smaller boutique companies.

Right. This is an on-going concern for all the remaining small blending outfits that source US grown leaf as the main components.

So far the other blending houses such as C&D and Sutliff are not in the same situation. Or maybe they are and the fallout has not happened.....yet. Or perhaps they use more imported leaf which may still be generally available. Time will tell.

In the meantime it's not a dumb idea to stock up now while you can. 'baccy will never be this inexpensive again in the future.

Preaching to the choir, I know!



Cheers,

RR

I didn't even think about sourcing internationally. †I can see that being a life saver. †That being said, you are right that buying now is the best option. †

Worst case scenario is that in 10 years your cellared blend is still in production and your tastes have changed to where you don't like it anymore. †However you can still sell it to others for virtually guaranteed what you paid for it if not a reasonable amount more because of aging.

I have been putting every last available farthing into tobacco even though there are some nice pipes I would LOVE to get. I have not bought a pipe in about 2 years but have bought a ton of leaf.
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PostSubject: Re: All Things Must Pass....But Why THEM?   Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:07 pm

Fight'n Hampsters wrote:
Brewdude wrote:
Fight'n Hampsters wrote:
A concern I now have is with other brands that, at least to me, give the appearance of being very selective about the quality of tobacco that goes into their blends. GL Pease in particular comes to mind. †I could see him choosing to limit production based on availability of quality tobaccos.

Now I am sure that other manufacturers are concerned about quality as well but I can see it being a bigger issue when it comes to smaller boutique companies.

Right. This is an on-going concern for all the remaining small blending outfits that source US grown leaf as the main components.

So far the other blending houses such as C&D and Sutliff are not in the same situation. Or maybe they are and the fallout has not happened.....yet. Or perhaps they use more imported leaf which may still be generally available. Time will tell.

In the meantime it's not a dumb idea to stock up now while you can. 'baccy will never be this inexpensive again in the future.

Preaching to the choir, I know!



Cheers,

RR

I didn't even think about sourcing internationally. †I can see that being a life saver. †That being said, you are right that buying now is the best option. †

Worst case scenario is that in 10 years your cellared blend is still in production and your tastes have changed to where you don't like it anymore. †However you can still sell it to others for virtually guaranteed what you paid for it if not a reasonable amount more because of aging.

I have been putting every last available farthing into tobacco even though there are some nice pipes I would LOVE to get. †I have not bought a pipe in about 2 years but have bought a ton of leaf.

There's a lot of truth in that!

Exclamation


Cheers,

RR

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PostSubject: Re: All Things Must Pass....But Why THEM?   Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:59 pm

Fighting Hamsters,
Thanks for the link to the article about McC. Explained allot but one thing I don't understand is whey they don't take down their website ?
workihttp://www.mcclellandtobacco.com/ng.
It's still up and has all the contact links etc. If they are out of business then be out of business TOTALY !! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: All Things Must Pass....But Why THEM?   Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:35 am

monbla256 wrote:
Fighting Hamsters,
Thanks for the link to the article about McC. Explained allot but one thing I don't understand is whey they don't take down their website ?
workihttp://www.mcclellandtobacco.com/ng.
It's still up and has all the contact links etc. †If they are out of business then be out of business TOTALY !! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

No problem.

I have wondered that about their website as well. Maybe leaving it up for historic/ archival purposes??
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PostSubject: Re: All Things Must Pass....But Why THEM?   Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:54 pm

Do you think that maybe someday someone will make a "'match" to any of the McC's blends?
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PostSubject: Re: All Things Must Pass....But Why THEM?   Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:01 pm

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Do you think that maybe someday someone will make a "'match" to any of the McC's blends?

Yes, probably. Maybe Russ O. will give this a shot. He's pretty good at doing clone blends.


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PostSubject: Re: All Things Must Pass....But Why THEM?   Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:18 pm

Corncobcon wrote:
Do you think that maybe someday someone will make a "'match" to any of the McC's blends?

I'm sure someone will try but considering how they were I don't think that will be possible ! Mcc was McC period. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: All Things Must Pass....But Why THEM?   Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:09 pm

AMEN
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PostSubject: Re: All Things Must Pass....But Why THEM?   Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:27 pm

Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: All Things Must Pass....But Why THEM?   Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:55 am

Ozark Wizard wrote:
Rolling Eyes

Ditto. †lol!
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PostSubject: Re: All Things Must Pass....But Why THEM?   Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:20 pm

When my McC tobacco hoard began to grow out of control I started to take seriously the anti-cellaring notions that buy-as-you-go was the wiser course, since it encouraged trying tasty new blends. But after reading the PT article, Iím mighty glad I have all those Mason jars filled with tasty McC bulk tucked away in my cellar. It looks like the Golden Years for pipers are in the rear view mirror. What would we poor, simple folk do without the government stepping in to lend its helping hand?
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PostSubject: Re: All Things Must Pass....But Why THEM?   Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:33 pm

KevinM wrote:
When my McC tobacco hoard began to grow out of control I started to take seriously the anti-cellaring notions that buy-as-you-go was the wiser course, since it encouraged trying tasty new blends. But after reading the PT article, Iím mighty glad I have all those Mason jars filled with tasty McC bulk tucked away in my cellar. It looks like the Golden Years for pipers are in the rear view mirror. What would we poor, simple folk do without the government stepping in to lend its helping hand?

Yeah, I am inclined to think that we are entering the twilight of the Golden Years. FDA going after premium tobacco, McClelland gone, Steven Books passed, Carl McAllister retired, quality Oriental tobacco hard to procure, so many B&M's closing doors even famous ones like Kramer's and the original Tinder Box in Santa Monica, it's all beginning to add up...
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PostSubject: Re: All Things Must Pass....But Why THEM?   Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:23 pm

DrumsAndBeer wrote:
KevinM wrote:
When my McC tobacco hoard began to grow out of control I started to take seriously the anti-cellaring notions that buy-as-you-go was the wiser course, since it encouraged trying tasty new blends. But after reading the PT article, Iím mighty glad I have all those Mason jars filled with tasty McC bulk tucked away in my cellar. It looks like the Golden Years for pipers are in the rear view mirror. What would we poor, simple folk do without the government stepping in to lend its helping hand?

Yeah, I am inclined to think that we are entering the twilight of the Golden Years. FDA going after premium tobacco, McClelland gone, Steven Books passed, Carl McAllister retired, quality Oriental tobacco hard to procure, so many B&M's closing doors even famous ones like Kramer's and the original Tinder Box in Santa Monica, it's all beginning to add up...

'Fraid you might be right about this ! Having had this habit ( it's NOT a hobby) for over 50 years now and seeing the price increases up & up over this time period, pipe smoking has become a wealthy mans endeaver . Prices for even standard shapes in quality pipes good grain, no fills hitting what I refer to the stratosphere it's no wonder pipe smoking is going away. Back in the '60s/'70s a man with an average income could afford a new Comoy, GBD, etc as well as a mo's supply of 'baccy and still take the family to a resteraunt . Not any more. It's become the pervue of the upper income and as such will be a "niche" sort of retail endevar. Makes me glad I started when I did and sorry for the young ones trying to get started today ! JMHO Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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