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Dock BoB's Team

Number of posts: 2354 Age: 101 Location: @ The Gym Tobacco: Arturo Fuente "Hemingway" Pipe: Former Collector of High End Briar Registration date: 2007-12-15
 | Subject: What Makes A Highgrade Expensive? Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:42 am | |
| I received an e-mail from a fella here that's been smoking a pipe for a short time and wanted to know why certain pipes are so much more expensive than others.
In short I responded that the carver's reputation had alot to do with it along with other factors such as thin handmade stems, an amazing sand blast (ala' JT Cooke) , the scarcity of a perfect straightgrain and how much a certain pipe maker's pieces are in demand at that time. The old "hot pipe of the moment" perception is very real!
This fella's question is one that I've been asked a hundred times and everyone's answer to it is so totally individual. It would be very neat to hear how some of the folks here would answer it....
What do you think makes an expensive pipe expensive?
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Puff Daddy

Number of posts: 5536 Age: 49 Location: South of heaven Tobacco: Mostly simple burleys these days Pipe: Stanwells and Petersons Registration date: 2007-12-09
 | Subject: Re: What Makes A Highgrade Expensive? Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:04 am | |
| A carver takes (often) years to perfect his skills in making an exceptional pipe. As in other professions, when you obtain a product or service from a skilled craftsman or practitioner his skill and expertise level will affect the price of his product or service. Quality high grade pipes are built using many, many steps the average smoker wouldn't even be aware of, minute details that you won't find in cheaper pipes but things that make the pipe so much finer in many different ways. All of this means that the carver puts in a lot of hours and his hourly time put in needs to be compensated at an acceptable rate. Just as a very good mechanic won't be found working for 10 bucks an hour, a pipe carver must justify a living wage for the work he puts into his craft at such a high level and with such intensity and attention to detail. Then there is the material and equipment overhead. Certainly the costs of a shop setup must be factored into the sale price of the number of pipes leaving that shop each year, and then the cost of the highest grade briar (often $80 a piece just for the raw wood alone) and finest rod stock is built into the price of that pipe. For example, you buy a Balleby for $1,000 and you're paying for cost of goods, a fair wage for the carver, part of his overhead, often a middle man (the dealer who sold you the pipe), import duties, etc..... Like anything else, it's a product. Sure, you could drive a Yugo for 10K and it would get you from A to B, but wouldn't you like to be driving a Porsche?  _________________ These are horrible times and all sorts of horrible people are prospering, but we must never let this disturb our equanimity or deflect us from our sacred duty to annoy and hinder them at every turn.
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Dock BoB's Team

Number of posts: 2354 Age: 101 Location: @ The Gym Tobacco: Arturo Fuente "Hemingway" Pipe: Former Collector of High End Briar Registration date: 2007-12-15
 | Subject: Re: What Makes A Highgrade Expensive? Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:09 am | |
| | Puff Daddy wrote: | A carver takes (often) years to perfect his skills in making an exceptional pipe. As in other professions, when you obtain a product or service from a skilled craftsman or practitioner his skill and expertise level will affect the price of his product or service. Quality high grade pipes are built using many, many steps the average smoker wouldn't even be aware of, minute details that you won't find in cheaper pipes but things that make the pipe so much finer in many different ways. All of this means that the carver puts in a lot of hours and his hourly time put in needs to be compensated at an acceptable rate. Just as a very good mechanic won't be found working for 10 bucks an hour, a pipe carver must justify a living wage for the work he puts into his craft at such a high level and with such intensity and attention to detail.
Then there is the material and equipment overhead. Certainly the costs of a shop setup must be factored into the sale price of the number of pipes leaving that shop each year, and then the cost of the highest grade briar (often $80 a piece just for the raw wood alone) and finest rod stock is built into the price of that pipe.
For example, you buy a Balleby for $1,000 and you're paying for cost of goods, a fair wage for the carver, part of his overhead, often a middle man (the dealer who sold you the pipe), import duties, etc.....
Like anything else, it's a product. Sure, you could drive a Yugo for 10K and it would get you from A to B, but wouldn't you like to be driving a Porsche?  |
I couldn't agree more PD! One of the most eye opening expeiences of my life was watching pipe maker and friend Tim Hynick make an entire pipe from block of wood and acrylic rod to a finished pipe! The process took eight hours and I watched every minute of it. Before this I routinely asked for a reduced price from various pipe carvers at shows. After seeing the amount of time and expertise that went into crafting a pipe I never did this again! |
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vaperfavour

Number of posts: 522 Age: 39 Location: tampa, florida Tobacco: If it has Perique, I"m probably smoking it! Pipe: Tom Eltangs, Adam Davidsons, Chris Askwith. Registration date: 2008-03-16
 | Subject: Re: What Makes A Highgrade Expensive? Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:10 pm | |
| let's not forget artistry,either! |
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LL
Number of posts: 2000 Location: Hoth (a.k.a. Bowman, ND) Tobacco: Strong Pipe: Briar Registration date: 2007-12-29
 | Subject: Re: What Makes A Highgrade Expensive? Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:41 pm | |
| Those ^^^^ are the deconstructed components. The answer to the question posed by the thread title is in how they fit together. Much study has been made of that fitting-together process in recent years by the cogsci guys. They've turned their brain mapping searchlights on the purchase decision itself and discovered it's almost entirely emotion-driven. Meaning in the case of pipes it is how the wood density, wood grain, finish color, size, shape, craftsmanship, the carver's name, the carver's reputation, who they (maybe) once saw smoking a similar pipe, previous experience with the seller, etc. etc. etc. (ad infinitum) all come together to create a "net reaction" of either want or don't want. When a particular pipe happens to score highly in many of those ways, and its existence becomes known to a significant number of prospective purchasers, an expensive pipe is the result.
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thomas james Italian Stallion
Number of posts: 2346 Registration date: 2007-12-09
 | Subject: Re: What Makes A Highgrade Expensive? Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:06 pm | |
| Little white dots on stems seems to drive prices up.
Also, price seems to correlate with how many "C's" a pipe has.
Straight billiards, being inherently better, cost more.
All I know bout it. |
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Justpipes The Duke

Number of posts: 7935 Age: 54 Location: Randolph County, NC If you don't know, you wouldn't understand. Tobacco: John Middleton Walnut, Prince Albert, GLP Cumberland, C&D Exhausted Rooster , add Carter Hall to the mix, as well as Perfection Plug Burley Pipe: Brissetts, Kaywoodies Registration date: 2007-12-17
 | Subject: Re: What Makes A Highgrade Expensive? Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:53 pm | |
| Never forget that one man's junk is another man's treasure and as with any collectible it is only worth what the collector (buyer) is willing to pay. Some folks are willing to pay more than others. |
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Hermit

Number of posts: 3417 Age: 60 Location: Ascension Parish Tobacco: Exhausted Rooster Pipe: Rad Davis Golden Blast Apple Registration date: 2008-04-22
 | Subject: Re: What Makes A Highgrade Expensive? Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:18 pm | |
| | vaperfavour wrote: | | let's not forget artistry,either! |
That's what I was thinking. Rembrandt didn't pay any more for his paint than the guy who painted Dogs Playing Poker on velvet. |
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Puff Daddy

Number of posts: 5536 Age: 49 Location: South of heaven Tobacco: Mostly simple burleys these days Pipe: Stanwells and Petersons Registration date: 2007-12-09
 | Subject: Re: What Makes A Highgrade Expensive? Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:30 pm | |
| I guess you could call my response a justification for cost rather than a reason for pricing......... _________________ These are horrible times and all sorts of horrible people are prospering, but we must never let this disturb our equanimity or deflect us from our sacred duty to annoy and hinder them at every turn.
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Justpipes The Duke

Number of posts: 7935 Age: 54 Location: Randolph County, NC If you don't know, you wouldn't understand. Tobacco: John Middleton Walnut, Prince Albert, GLP Cumberland, C&D Exhausted Rooster , add Carter Hall to the mix, as well as Perfection Plug Burley Pipe: Brissetts, Kaywoodies Registration date: 2007-12-17
 | Subject: Re: What Makes A Highgrade Expensive? Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:01 pm | |
| | Puff Daddy wrote: | | I guess you could call my response a justification for cost rather than a reason for pricing......... |
Yours was a good response PD. Naturally, the more skilled the craftsman, the possibility that his wears will be more in demand. I also think that much of it also depends on the marketing. There are many starving artist whose skills are superior to others but just don't have the marketing skills of less talented but more demanding artist. Thus why many are more well known and sought after once they have passed on. |
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Hermit

Number of posts: 3417 Age: 60 Location: Ascension Parish Tobacco: Exhausted Rooster Pipe: Rad Davis Golden Blast Apple Registration date: 2008-04-22
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JJPHOTO

Number of posts: 214 Age: 38 Location: Texas Tobacco: McClelland's Arcadia Pipe: Stanwell 240 Featherweight, Smooth Registration date: 2008-12-03
 | Subject: Re: What Makes A Highgrade Expensive? Sun Jan 18, 2009 7:37 pm | |
| So, educate a noob here. What is it that you look for in a pipe that makes it so nice? I mean, I look at some high end pipes and all I can say is, (insert Elvis accent here) "man that's purty". Not being a smart ass - I really want to know what to look for.
P.S. - I understand the higher cost of supporting a private business and all that... I own a photography business plus have worked in advertising/marketing for mom and pop stores for 10 years so I understand that completely. That's not what I'm asking. Just wanting to know what people judge high end pipes by. |
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Hermit

Number of posts: 3417 Age: 60 Location: Ascension Parish Tobacco: Exhausted Rooster Pipe: Rad Davis Golden Blast Apple Registration date: 2008-04-22
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