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PostSubject: Re: Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in?   Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:16 pm

Brewdude wrote:
I always rub it out. No inferences implied!

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Cheers,

RR

Hahahahahahahaha thatís funny right there I donít care who you are
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PostSubject: Re: Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in?   Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:23 pm

hobie1dog wrote:
Put it in a blender, no need for a hand job.


That was hilarious! I just spit my beer out up my nose! lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in?   Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:33 pm

hobie1dog wrote:
Put it in a blender, no need for a hand job.


Uhhhh, wait.... What? lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in?   Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:32 pm

As a bit of an old timer in this flake game I have never understood the stuff and go method, rubbing it out is the way the blenders of the flake tobaccos intended it to be prepared. Let's keep in mind the original purpose of the flake form of tobacco production was basically twofold. In the early days of sail sailors would buy bulk pipe tobacco and press it together as tightly and compact as possible to be able to pack it into there tobacco bags so as to take as much to sea as possible in a small space. This tobacco was usually Virginia leaf with a tremendously high natural sugar content so the unforeseen advantage of this putting the tobacco under pressure literally forced the natural Virginia sugars out of the leaf thus reflavoring, if you will, the tobacco with its own sugars. That is why you find sugar crystals on well aged Virginias like Gawith's Full Virginia Flake, that sugar is from the leaf itself, not added. If you could go back in time and find old Sam Gawith and tell him you were trying to smoke his flake tobaccos by simply stuffing the full flake into the pipe he would laugh you right out of his tobacco factory and probably tell his co-workers, "check out the guy who was just here, he will probably use an entire box of matches and still will never get our flake to burn properly" and they would all have a good laugh. Rub it out thoroughly, let it dry for awhile and then pack it using the tried and true three step method. You will get a sweet smoke every time if you puff slowly. Keep puffin.
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PostSubject: Re: Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in?   Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:10 pm

giubileo wrote:
As a bit of an old timer in this flake game I have never understood the stuff and go method, rubbing it out is the way the blenders of the flake tobaccos intended it to be prepared. Let's keep in mind the original purpose of the flake form of tobacco production was basically twofold. In the early days of sail sailors would buy bulk pipe tobacco and press it together as tightly and compact as possible to be able to pack it into there tobacco bags so as to take as much to sea as possible in a small space. This tobacco was usually Virginia leaf with a tremendously high natural sugar content so the unforeseen advantage of this putting the tobacco under pressure literally forced the natural Virginia sugars out of the leaf thus reflavoring, if you will, the tobacco with its own sugars. That is why you find sugar crystals on well aged Virginias like Gawith's Full Virginia Flake, that sugar is from the leaf itself, not added. If you could go back in time and find old Sam Gawith and tell him you were trying to smoke his flake tobaccos by simply stuffing the full flake into the pipe he would laugh you right out of his tobacco factory and probably tell his co-workers, "check out the guy who was just here, he will probably use an entire box of matches and still will never get our flake to burn properly" and they would all have a good laugh. Rub it out thoroughly, let it dry for awhile and then pack it using the tried and true three step method. You will get a sweet smoke every time if you puff slowly. Keep puffin.

Each to their own I guess.

I swung by Sammy G's place in the Lakes a few years ago. Sadly he wasn't in Wink A lot of history in the building though. Would have been great to see it in its heyday.

As for me, I've never had a snag with folding and stuffing. Works a charm for me and am rewarded with a most satisfying smoke 95% of the time. When reflecting on life I'm an advocate of it's not about the destination, it's how you get there. With 'baccy I'd flip that because we're all hankering after the perfect smoke... doesn't matter how you get there as long as you're happy with the smoke.

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PostSubject: Re: Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in?   Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:12 pm

giubileo wrote:
As a bit of an old timer in this flake game I have never understood the stuff and go method, rubbing it out is the way the blenders of the flake tobaccos intended it to be prepared. Let's keep in mind the original purpose of the flake form of tobacco production was basically twofold. In the early days of sail sailors would buy bulk pipe tobacco and press it together as tightly and compact as possible to be able to pack it into there tobacco bags so as to take as much to sea as possible in a small space. This tobacco was usually Virginia leaf with a tremendously high natural sugar content so the unforeseen advantage of this putting the tobacco under pressure literally forced the natural Virginia sugars out of the leaf thus reflavoring, if you will, the tobacco with its own sugars. That is why you find sugar crystals on well aged Virginias like Gawith's Full Virginia Flake, that sugar is from the leaf itself, not added. If you could go back in time and find old Sam Gawith and tell him you were trying to smoke his flake tobaccos by simply stuffing the full flake into the pipe he would laugh you right out of his tobacco factory and probably tell his co-workers, "check out the guy who was just here, he will probably use an entire box of matches and still will never get our flake to burn properly" and they would all have a good laugh. Rub it out thoroughly, let it dry for awhile and then pack it using the tried and true three step method. You will get a sweet smoke every time if you puff slowly. Keep puffin.

Sailors were just as likely to chew as they were to smoke at any given time. This would indicate they favored small pieces of plug rather than a rubbed out product which might have been seen as a peculiar pursuit in the 16th century. Also, science has told us that those "sugar crystals" are not a mineral at all but a benign fungus. I have no problem lighting folded flakes, and since you're an old timer at the flake game you probably don't either.

There's just no historical evidence that fully rubbing flake is the "right" thing to do.
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PostSubject: Re: Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in?   Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:13 pm

Lol, Stick. Great minds not only work alike, they seem to work simultaneously. lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in?   Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:41 pm

Zanaspus wrote:
Lol, Stick. Great minds not only work alike, they seem to work simultaneously. lol!

cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in?   Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:12 am

Stuff it in for most of the bowl, then top it off with some broken flake for better lighting.
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PostSubject: Re: Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in?   Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:47 am

I prefer U-shaped bowls over conical. For me, they just smoke easier. For my pipes with U-shaped bowls, I rub out flakes and coins and pack the pipe as normal. My conical, tapered bowls get a little different treatment. I typically will only smoke coins from my conical shaped bowls. I cut one coin into quarters and I cut one in half. I roll a quarter of a coin between my thumb and index finger, until it will drop to the bottom of the bowl. I drop it in and let it expand to fit the contour of the bottom. I then do the same with a half coin and after it unrolls a little and expands, I gently press it into the quarter coin already in the bottom. I then fill the remainder of the bowl with a full coin, or a full coin and another half if necessary, using the same roll technique. When I do all this rolling, I make sure I roll each ball until the tobacco loosens up and separates, but I donít roll so tightly that the ball wonít expand back out. For me, this technique gives me a perfect burn and a long, relaxing smoke.
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