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puros_bran
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PostSubject: Re: Smokers Forum Closing Down   Fri May 08, 2009 9:03 pm

Buck, I know you will like me even less for this comment, but I can't help it.... The thought of you getting banned from SF almost made me spit coffee.


Seriously though, Running a forum and maintaining sanity is to much for one person, once you pass more than a handful of members. The Admin should delegate, his headaches would go down tremendously.

I do wonder what he would get a death threat over.

Hopefully he decides not to do it, but if he does I guess that's just one more to remember fondly.
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PostSubject: Re: Smokers Forum Closing Down   Fri May 08, 2009 10:56 pm

Winslow wrote:
We shall inherit some new members nodoubt,seeing that this is a moderated
forum we shall be just fine.I can't see BoB disintegrating like ASP has over the
years.
"The place where anything goes,sooner or later nobody goes". Evil or Very Mad

Winslow sunny

I hate to bash a place that I called home for more than half a decade but I can also call a spade a spade with utter impunity.

BoB's will NEVER turn into anything like ASP as long as I'm here Steve. Though a sad place now, it still has a few remaining members that are world class gentlemen. Ed Duncan, Paul Z, Bert Olten and Art of Mingkahuna tampers come to mind. They also have some lowly characters there such as JTN AKA "Jim the newbie". The constant posts from the trolls (both pro smoking and anti alike) make it a very unhappy environment to subject yourself too for long.

I think the best way to describe ASP is to say that it died long ago but no one bothered burying it and it just really stinks now!
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PostSubject: Re: Smokers Forum Closing Down   Fri May 08, 2009 11:01 pm

Out of the guys you mentioned, I only know Art. But he is a hell of a nice guy and belongs with us anyway. I'm never without one of his tampers.
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PostSubject: Re: Smokers Forum Closing Down   Sat May 09, 2009 1:31 pm

puros_bran wrote:
Buck, I know you will like me even less for this comment, but I can't help it.... The thought of you getting banned from SF almost made me spit coffee.

Then why say it? Get your rocks off did ya?
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PostSubject: Re: Smokers Forum Closing Down   Sat May 09, 2009 2:51 pm

Well, after my little temper tantrum last night on SF, I am now officially no longer a member. It was my primary forum for the past two years, and I did enjoy the place.

I can't say I truly understand Ron's decision to just close the place down without letting someone else take it over, but it is his decision.

I after been pretty much inactive here since I registered in 2007, but I guess I need a new home ...


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PostSubject: Re: Smokers Forum Closing Down   Sat May 09, 2009 2:57 pm

when I was looking around for pipe forums I think I did run into ASP - I dunno what that's short for but I didn't like it a number of months ago - then I found SF - but I always did lurk some on BoB and now I've been welcomed. Wishing SF the best and kudo's to BoB - it's all about promoting a great hobby and pipe smoking in general.

But it's nice to be welcomed so warmly here. I'm looking forward to all the posts and pipe sales etc. I really feel sorry for the elders on SF; they'll really going to miss it.

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PostSubject: Re: Smokers Forum Closing Down   Sat May 09, 2009 3:12 pm

It is a shame about SF, though personally I never really liked the place, it's a shame it's shutting down. ASP (alt.smokers.pipes the newsgroup) has become a cesspool which I left some years ago. I imagine, there are still some good folks posting there, I haven't read it in a long time. I still participate actively in ASP chat on undernet on IRC and it's still pretty active, having a strong core group of regulars and OP's.

The thing that makes BoB for me, is that it is largely un-moderated or censored, and there is a separate section for the more 'controversial' discussions and 'off-topic' discussions, and the wide variety of on-topic subjects. BoB seems to have room for everything I enjoy sharing with fellow Brothers of Briar.

I hope nothing changes that ...

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PostSubject: Re: Smokers Forum Closing Down   Sat May 09, 2009 3:26 pm

kilted1 wrote:
ASP (alt.smokers.pipes the newsgroup) has become a cesspool which I left some years ago.


yes - that's the one kilted1 - just there - and got out real quick. Didn't take long. thanks for the info.
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PostSubject: Re: Smokers Forum Closing Down   Sat May 09, 2009 7:08 pm

dopealope wrote:
Well, after my little temper tantrum last night on SF, I am now officially no longer a member. It was my primary forum for the past two years, and I did enjoy the place.

I can't say I truly understand Ron's decision to just close the place down without letting someone else take it over, but it is his decision.

I after been pretty much inactive here since I registered in 2007, but I guess I need a new home ...
I missed the tantrum. What happened?
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PostSubject: Re: Smokers Forum Closing Down   Sat May 09, 2009 7:41 pm

I missed it too. Dish. Very Happy earl


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PostSubject: Re: Smokers Forum Closing Down   Sat May 09, 2009 7:41 pm

The Knoxboard doesn't exist any more ?

What a Face
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PostSubject: Re: Smokers Forum Closing Down   Sat May 09, 2009 7:55 pm

I see they just posted that SF will continue with another individual simply taking it over. earl
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PostSubject: Re: Smokers Forum Closing Down   Sat May 09, 2009 7:57 pm

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It is a shame about SF, though personally I never really liked the place, it's a shame it's shutting down. ASP (alt.smokers.pipes the newsgroup) has become a cesspool which I left some years ago. I imagine, there are still some good folks posting there, I haven't read it in a long time. I still participate actively in ASP chat on undernet on IRC and it's still pretty active, having a strong core group of regulars and OP's.

The thing that makes BoB for me, is that it is largely un-moderated or censored, and there is a separate section for the more 'controversial' discussions and 'off-topic' discussions, and the wide variety of on-topic subjects. BoB seems to have room for everything I enjoy sharing with fellow Brothers of Briar.

I hope nothing changes that ...

What was your beef with it kilted1? A bit too tame perhaps? Sleep bom earl
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PostSubject: Re: Smokers Forum Closing Down   Sat May 09, 2009 8:08 pm

Buck & gentlemen... You know what makes BoB so great? Because regardless of what a moderator (former at this point, I think anyway) thinks of you, you will not get banned for personal reasons..

I'll still not condemn SF,ASP,Knox or any other board I have ever participated in... I have enjoyed them all, and learned far more from them than I ever could have on my own. Hearing of a board closing is as painful as hearing of a B&M closing... Its a shrinking of the community's options. That can't be good.
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PostSubject: Re: Smokers Forum Closing Down   Sat May 09, 2009 8:37 pm

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kilted1 wrote:
It is a shame about SF, though personally I never really liked the place, it's a shame it's shutting down. ASP (alt.smokers.pipes the newsgroup) has become a cesspool which I left some years ago. I imagine, there are still some good folks posting there, I haven't read it in a long time. I still participate actively in ASP chat on undernet on IRC and it's still pretty active, having a strong core group of regulars and OP's.

The thing that makes BoB for me, is that it is largely un-moderated or censored, and there is a separate section for the more 'controversial' discussions and 'off-topic' discussions, and the wide variety of on-topic subjects. BoB seems to have room for everything I enjoy sharing with fellow Brothers of Briar.

I hope nothing changes that ...

What was your beef with it kilted1? A bit too tame perhaps? Sleep bom earl

What was my beef with what exactly? I can't determine by 'it' which place you are referring too. SF seemed a little too um 'restrictive'? 'moderated'? to me. I think it's sad that it's going (if indeed it is) for the folks that enjoy it. Whatever their 'rules' are, they clearly don't meet everyone's needs, but for those that works for would be well served to find a way to keep it alive, or start a SF II or whatever to take it's place.

ASP the newsgroup, just seemed to me to degenerate into complete chaos to me, endless flame wars, and bickering over whether someone posted 'OT' in front of an 'off topic' thread and other such madness. After about 4 years participation (daily) on there, I had enough. I wish those folks that still participate there all happiness, some probably also participate here, it's just not where I prefer to spend time.

This place is pretty cool, not restricted to ONLY discussing pipes and tobacco, even having an area where disagreement is the 'norm'. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Smokers Forum Closing Down   Sat May 09, 2009 8:57 pm

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earl wrote:
kilted1 wrote:
It is a shame about SF, though personally I never really liked the place, it's a shame it's shutting down. ASP (alt.smokers.pipes the newsgroup) has become a cesspool which I left some years ago. I imagine, there are still some good folks posting there, I haven't read it in a long time. I still participate actively in ASP chat on undernet on IRC and it's still pretty active, having a strong core group of regulars and OP's.

The thing that makes BoB for me, is that it is largely un-moderated or censored, and there is a separate section for the more 'controversial' discussions and 'off-topic' discussions, and the wide variety of on-topic subjects. BoB seems to have room for everything I enjoy sharing with fellow Brothers of Briar.

I hope nothing changes that ...

What was your beef with it kilted1? A bit too tame perhaps? Sleep bom earl

What was my beef with what exactly? I can't determine by 'it' which place you are referring too. SF seemed a little too um 'restrictive'? 'moderated'? to me. I think it's sad that it's going (if indeed it is) for the folks that enjoy it. Whatever their 'rules' are, they clearly don't meet everyone's needs, but for those that works for would be well served to find a way to keep it alive, or start a SF II or whatever to take it's place.

ASP the newsgroup, just seemed to me to degenerate into complete chaos to me, endless flame wars, and bickering over whether someone posted 'OT' in front of an 'off topic' thread and other such madness. After about 4 years participation (daily) on there, I had enough. I wish those folks that still participate there all happiness, some probably also participate here, it's just not where I prefer to spend time.

This place is pretty cool, not restricted to ONLY discussing pipes and tobacco, even having an area where disagreement is the 'norm'. Laughing
I was referring to SF, but agree that ASP is a ridiculous mess. earl
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PostSubject: Re: Smokers Forum Closing Down   Sun May 10, 2009 12:04 am

[/quote] I was referring to SF, but agree that ASP is a ridiculous mess. earl[/quote]

The only problem I ever encountered on SF entailed a thread that appearently dealt with an older gent's encounter with a younger lady. I stated that I didn't realize what a "randy" group I had become involved with.

I was informed, very politely, that this post had been removed as it could, I could surely see, be considered very offensive by some members.

WTF!

Oh, well, I am glad to see that they will continue and I will continue to drop by periodically.
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PostSubject: Re: Smokers Forum Closing Down   Sun May 10, 2009 1:12 am

Update: http://www.smokersforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=66698
It isn't going away after all...carry on.
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PostSubject: Re: Smokers Forum Closing Down   Sun May 10, 2009 1:14 pm

Hermit wrote:
Update: http://www.smokersforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=66698
It isn't going away after all...carry on.

I was booted for the SF Friday, I have no idea why and they didnt even have the stones to send me a email telling me why.

What does the link you said say as I can no longer look.

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PostSubject: Re: Smokers Forum Closing Down   Sun May 10, 2009 1:52 pm

R Quagliata wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Update: http://www.smokersforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=66698
It isn't going away after all...carry on.

I was booted for the SF Friday, I have no idea why and they didnt even have the stones to send me a email telling me why.

What does the link you said say as I can no longer look.

Ryan

Same here. Kinda leave a rotten taste when the "accused" gets executed for
no cause. This due to " SF seemed a little too um 'restrictive'? 'moderated'? to me" which I believe is a gross understatement. Gross understament indeed. Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Smokers Forum Closing Down   Sun May 10, 2009 2:01 pm

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dopealope wrote:
Well, after my little temper tantrum last night on SF, I am now officially no longer a member. It was my primary forum for the past two years, and I did enjoy the place.

I can't say I truly understand Ron's decision to just close the place down without letting someone else take it over, but it is his decision.

I after been pretty much inactive here since I registered in 2007, but I guess I need a new home ...
I missed the tantrum. What happened?

I wrote a flamer post, which was deleted almost immediately, about how I thought it was childish to just announce the closing the board and there was nothing anybody could do about it. Wrong or right, I was pissed off at the arbitrary nature of the whole decision.
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PostSubject: Re: Smokers Forum Closing Down   Sun May 10, 2009 2:27 pm

R Quagliata wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Update: http://www.smokersforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=66698
It isn't going away after all...carry on.

I was booted for the SF Friday, I have no idea why and they didnt even have the stones to send me a email telling me why.

What does the link you said say as I can no longer look.

Ryan

For the benefit of all those miscreants, scallywags, undesirables and foul mouth morons,
who have been banished from Smokers Forum, here is the announcement: Wink

"Art approached me regarding taking over the Smokers Forums, there were a few things we had to iron out and I am pleased to say that SF is now under new management. My account will be removed from SF and I will have no further involvement with the running of SF. I have also given Art permission to keep the name and logo for as long as he runs SF.

Art has asked if I would take care of the server and software upgrades and will only set me a temporary account up when he requires any updates being installed, after the upgrades are complete the temporary account will be deleted, this is my wish and not a stipulation made by Art. I have said yes to this as it will at least give me the feeling of taking the "baby" out for a walk now and again.

There has been a lot of talk recently about the privacy of members information on SF, namely the chat room and PM's. For the record PM's are strictly private and can only be read by the sender and receiver unless the receiver had email notification set up and the notification bounces back to the SF email address which is forums@smokersforums.co.uk with regards to the chat room, yes the logs could be read, so conversations within the chat room could be read by an Administrator, but they only ever contained 24 hours worth of transcripts, it was only ever meant as a safeguard as we did have members complaining to moderators that another member had been insulting them in the chat room, and without a transcript there was not much that could be done, that is the reason a 24 hour transcript log was kept and read. Some members felt that their privacy was invaded because of this.

Art has decided that a new chat room is the first thing on the agenda, he has found a version that can be integrated within SF but does not allow logs to be kept as the conversations do not run through the SF server, wish I had thought of that so that will be my first assignment when Art gives me the nod.

Perhaps one day I may decide to become a member and just enjoy SF, but for now I need a very long break.

I wish you all well and hope one day to reacquaint myself with you all under different circumstances, it has been a pleasure and a honour to be able to serve this past 20 years.

A big hand must be directed at Art for taking over and keeping this community together.

So the only thing to do now, is say goodbye and happy smoking.

Ron

End Annoucement"
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PostSubject: Re: Smokers Forum Closing Down   Sun May 10, 2009 2:44 pm

Quote: For the benefit of all those miscreants, scallywags, undesirables and foul mouth morons,
who have been banished from Smokers Forum, here is the announcement: end quote.

I think I'm going to like BoB - thanks for the smile Hermit
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PostSubject: Re: Smokers Forum Closing Down   Sun May 10, 2009 3:05 pm

Thanks Hermit,

I was an undesirable long ago, for reasons that I wasn't even made aware of, just found out one day that I could no longer log in. No warning or explanation was ever offered, nothing. So I moved on, some years later, someone on ASP chat mentioned BoB and thought I might like it. That's how I got here. In the intervening years between SF and BoB I've heard many a story about people being treated as I was, bounced without notice or warning, and heard much about the heavy moderation and controls within that community.

I hope that they take a slightly 'new' direction, and that their community can rebuild or whatever. It sure didn't and wouldn't work for me, I'm very glad wisdom prevails here, and allows us a free exchange of thoughts and ideas, without worry of public chastisement or being banned.
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PostSubject: Re: Smokers Forum Closing Down   Sun May 10, 2009 3:53 pm

Little did I know. Shocked Guess I hadn't been sufficiently "miscreantive" to have encountered that. Laughing earl
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