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PostSubject: So. How did popular music ever go from this...   Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:58 pm

...to the likes of Britney Spears and her clones? (i.e. Heavily processed, AutoTune dependent, wimpy & weak vocals, all in the service of riff-based repetitious "songs" utterly lacking in melody)

This is 100% live, taped in a living room. One bare-bones guitar, one voice. Epic. (be sure to let it play to the end... she pulls out the stops for the final chorus)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M_DYOgTpKs
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PostSubject: Re: So. How did popular music ever go from this...   Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:10 pm

I can't get freaky with a chick out on the dance floor at a club with that stuff! Laughing

I've actually always loved her singing. The other thing that has bothered me about the music industry, especially when it comes to women singers, is that looks are so much a factor. I've known some girls that give me goose bumps every time I heard them sing but they didn't look like much and were never given a chance. Linda had it all though.

As a side note, Hugh was a fricken stud in the day.

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PostSubject: Re: So. How did popular music ever go from this...   Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:10 pm

I like the music you sent Greg yesterday WAY better... Theremin rocks!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: So. How did popular music ever go from this...   Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:12 pm

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...to the likes of Britney Spears and her clones? (i.e. Heavily processed, AutoTune dependent, wimpy & weak vocals, all in the service of riff-based repetitious "songs" utterly lacking in melody)

This is 100% live, taped in a living room. One bare-bones guitar, one voice. Epic. (be sure to let it play to the end... she pulls out the stops for the final chorus)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M_DYOgTpKs

Wonderful! And, even a bonus PIPE SIGHTING in the beginning.

It's hard to believe there was a time when singers actually had to sing on pitch, and didn't rely on technical gimcrackery or warbling all around the note to hit it. The former saves some second-rate vocalists, and turns them into pop stars. The latter is just plain irritating.
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PostSubject: Re: So. How did popular music ever go from this...   Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:18 pm

Techno wizardry???


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PostSubject: Re: So. How did popular music ever go from this...   Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:32 pm

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Techno wizardry???

Funny you bring up Country. By far the musicians who place the highest value on authentic musicianship are the trad Country guys. (The Modern Country stuff has been merging with Pop for years, but not the traditional.) What you hear coming off the stage with that crowd is the real deal, and they don't fool around. Tell Ricky Skaggs you're going to run him through an FX rack and watch what happens. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: So. How did popular music ever go from this...   Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:40 pm

True Country music is dead for all intent and purpose.... (yes you can find it if you look real real real hard, but I'm talking Country Stations, Country Concerts, you know, common place Country)

Few 'country stars' even have a clue what country is. Country became so 'popular' that it became pop music...
I remember way back when listening to Hank Jr and thinking... "Man this dude is cool, but that aint country".. Listen to him now he sounds so outdated...
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PostSubject: Re: So. How did popular music ever go from this...   Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:48 pm

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True Country music is dead for all intent and purpose...
Depends on how you define it. It's definitely commercially dead, but among those who play it, and the clubs that feature it, the fire burns hot. Same with Rockabilly, Swing/Jump Blues, Bluegrass, and the like. Most Americana/Roots styles haven't been heard on broadcast airwaves for half a century, but what's being played today is the best there's ever been. Attend a festival and be amazed.
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PostSubject: Re: So. How did popular music ever go from this...   Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:51 pm

Yeah but that's not what I meant... lol...

Truthfully I'm not a huge Country Music fan, but I do hate what has happened to it.

And Clarification...Ricky aint Country.. He's Bluegrass. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: So. How did popular music ever go from this...   Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:55 pm

I'm completely with you there LL, I was an avid Celtic-Bluegrass festival goer, and participant while living in Dallas, TX. For about $10 admission, you can go all day, see as many real musicians as you can stand, eat festival foods and treats, shop, get autographs of the musicians, get a sun tan/burn. There is still great music out there ... performed by musicians who actually give a damn about the music and their performance.

Great music can still be had almost any night of the year in Austin, TX and some great 'sessions pubs' are still around, so if you play anything and want to learn in 'music boot camp' find one and join in!
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PostSubject: Re: So. How did popular music ever go from this...   Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:31 pm

Exceptions prove the rule. This present-day lass absolutely kicks King Kong-sized butt, and does it honestly. No processing, just a loop recorder so she doesn't need a backing band. (Of course, no one's heard of her, or probably ever will)

Imagine having this level of talent and being ignored.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa8zN4ElAFM
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PostSubject: Re: So. How did popular music ever go from this...   Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:37 pm

Happens everyday, to thousands, maybe tens of thousands of people.

Can't listen now though... Steelers/Browns on nfl.com... Browns winning.. sacked Big Ben 5 times, Cribbs looking like a hero.. but its been all field goals so far
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PostSubject: Re: So. How did popular music ever go from this...   Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:08 am

LL wrote:
Exceptions prove the rule. This present-day lass absolutely kicks King Kong-sized butt, and does it honestly. No processing, just a loop recorder so she doesn't need a backing band. (Of course, no one's heard of her, or probably ever will)

Imagine having this level of talent and being ignored.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa8zN4ElAFM

K.T. Tunstall is hardly unheard of! She ain't the King of Pop, but I'm a fan. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: So. How did popular music ever go from this...   Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:24 am

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LL wrote:
Exceptions prove the rule. This present-day lass absolutely kicks King Kong-sized butt, and does it honestly. No processing, just a loop recorder so she doesn't need a backing band. (Of course, no one's heard of her, or probably ever will)

Imagine having this level of talent and being ignored.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa8zN4ElAFM

K.T. Tunstall is hardly unheard of! She ain't the King of Pop, but I'm a fan. Smile

Rad

I'll bet in a survey fewer than 1 in 10,000 people would recognize the name. Compare that to Miley Cyrus (who is about 5% as musical)

10-4 on being a fan. How can anyone who hears her play not be, though?
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PostSubject: Re: So. How did popular music ever go from this...   Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:45 am

Black horse and the cherry tree.... lots of people know OF her...
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PostSubject: Re: So. How did popular music ever go from this...   Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:54 am

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Black horse and the cherry tree.... lots of people know OF her...

A fair number know the song, but not her. And three fourths of them associate it with an American Idol contestant.

It seems that looking like a centerfold is now the most basic requirement in music. Without it you can't even get started anymore.
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PostSubject: Re: So. How did popular music ever go from this...   Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:56 am

Ummm... Maybe, on the Idol comment....


Definatly on the Looks comment. Music somehow became Visual..

Video killed the Radio star.
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PostSubject: Re: So. How did popular music ever go from this...   Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:57 am

Random Caps...lol...Gotta love it, or not.
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PostSubject: Re: So. How did popular music ever go from this...   Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:01 am

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True Country music is dead for all intent and purpose.... (yes you can find it if you look real real real hard, but I'm talking Country Stations, Country Concerts, you know, common place Country)

Few 'country stars' even have a clue what country is. Country became so 'popular' that it became pop music...
I remember way back when listening to Hank Jr and thinking... "Man this dude is cool, but that aint country".. Listen to him now he sounds so outdated...

Among types of music I love Bluegrass is a part of the herd. but I will listen to allo sorts of music from big band, western swing, country, jazz, classical, folk, pop, etc. Even occasionally something like rap, but it would be an exceptional piece of rap for me to listen to it.

Now if you accept that 90% of all music is crap, and try to find the 10% that is worthwhile, you can find good stuff in most genres. And not all the new stuff is inferior to the old stuff. For me much as I like listening to Bill Monroe, I actually find modern entries like The Seldom Scene much more satisfying. And for my money Bluegrass is a subset of the genre country, not a seperate enity. You want to here something that will play with your mind, check out the recordings of "Hayseed Dixie". (I am on dial up, so I am not going to find the posting on Utube for you ) HD is a bluegrass band playing primarily heavy rock and metal tunes, and the name is a play on words for AC/DC . But they have covered Nugent, Floyd, etc. and give a totally different sound to well known sounds.

As for radio stations, WSM still does two bluegrass shows a week last time i looked, and the Opry still features bluegrass performers. As for festivals they are every where, try taking in the Bean Blossom Festival in Indiana for instance, or look at the appearance schedules of Rhanda Vincent & the Rage, or Allison Krauss and Union Station. And both those ladies can sing, and aren't hard on the eyeballs either.
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PostSubject: Re: So. How did popular music ever go from this...   Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:05 am

I saw Allison at the Bell County fair about 13-14 years ago when she wasn't a godess... just a lil girl with a killer fiddle and a voice that put even that to shame....
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PostSubject: Re: So. How did popular music ever go from this...   Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:23 am

From what I've found, from playing shows with my own band these past 5 years. You have to GO to see good music. There ain't no auto-tune going on in the bars and clubs who feature live music. You either perform or you get booed off stage (sometimes literally). You won't hear it on the radio unless you can find a station that isn't afraid to play real music, usually the listener supported stations or the stations playing "classic" tunes.

Here's a suggestion, and I am in no way affiliated with these guys, Look up The Small Sounds on Myspace. Great Americana, Folk, Roots stuff. Killer live show too.
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PostSubject: Re: So. How did popular music ever go from this...   Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:22 am

Wes --

Ever see Dale Watson in a club with a good sound system and someone at the board who knew how to use it? Awesome.
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PostSubject: Re: So. How did popular music ever go from this...   Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:36 am

Lots of stuff flying through my brain.

Music and the music industry have changed dramatically over the last 30 years. What is commercially successful today is what can be marketed to mindless tweenagers, who are the money spenders. They don't go to clubs, where there is still a lot of amazing music being played. They don't support the indies, because a lot of that is too intelligent, too musically sophisticated, and too often, to challenging to the simple-minded, poppish pablum that's become the status quo. Boy bands. Girl bands. Vapid, useless music, but if you put enough fluff on it, enough gratuitous sexiness, it'll sell, and the production companies are laughing.

Talent isn't really important; only the package matters. This actually started long ago, long before I was really following music. The Monkeys were a packaged band. Decades later, Milli-Vanilli were a packaged band, and there were many in-between. But, it's reached insane heights in today's market, and it's sickening. Real talent gets ignored in favour of some bit of fluff whose voice can be DSP'd to sound tolerable.

I was a serious fan of Romeo Void in the 80s. Innovative, dynamic, edgy music with amazing vocals by Deborah Iyall. They were on the edge of fantastic success, when the promoters pulled the plug. Why? Debora was a large woman. Large women don't sell as many tickets. People wanted to look at Dale Bozzio (Missing Persons) and Debbie Harry (Blondie) and so on. Granted, quite talented women, but the important thing, commercially was that they were also blessed with looks that sell. The politics of fashion cut an amazing career short. (Romeo Void's Girl in Trouble is definitely worth a listen, whether it's to your tastes or not. Ignore the idiot DJ, and the video is typically 80s artpop, but the song is what matters. Never Say Never was another hit from the period.)

There's still a lot of fantastic music being produced, but most of it will never be heard on the airwaves, and will only garner an underground following. It's a shame, really, but it's always been that way. Once in a while, a band, or even a genre, will emerge from the cellars and streak through the public's consciousness for a short time before going back underground, but it's rare, and, apparently, getting rarer.

Welcome to post-modernism at its worst. Damn. I think I'm feverish.
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PostSubject: Re: So. How did popular music ever go from this...   Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:26 am

I think these guys are geniuses:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGOohBytKTU

One of them looks sort of like a famous tobacco blender. Twisted Evil

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